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#601
Thanks for the info, it does make sense. In my office with the V6s in ears and no music on, I can't hear people in the hall talking, with the A4, I can hear can hear people talking but once I put the music on a low volume the talking fades away. I noticed the A4's have more of a spacial effect to the sound, almost more of a surround sound effect. I had to adjust the 62, 125 and 250 hz range a little higher and pulled the 31 down with the A4. As for the quality of sound the A4 and V6s sound so close except for the spacial tone in the mids of the A4. During this little test I had to remove one set to try the other, I have a splitter at home so I can put one of each in my ears and see what if any difference I hear between the two. Not sure this will tell me much as my left ear is my dominant ear and more volume level sensitive.

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Decibels (dB, sound measurement) are not linear, they're logarithmic, meaning that a 2dB increase or decrease is not a 2x increase or decrease in sound. So the difference in sound reduction from -8dB to -18dB is much greater than a reduction from -18dB to -28dB. If I were to guess, you'll be fine, and you may like the extra ambient noise that bleeds in (less of the IEM bubble effect). The image below illustrates the relationship using speaker power, but the concept can be translated to isloation: You start to see less benefit at extreme ends of the curve (the curve flattens) when compared to the first few dB

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#602
I ordered a pair of A6's last November during the sale. I got the impressions done on January 11th. I still have not sent them in. Now that I am reading the feedback on the ADEL series, I think I would prefer those. One thing I notice is that there is a big difference between using my Mesa Boogie D-800 amp with a Fearless F212 and using my headphones even when using the DI out of my amp. I would like the sound to be more alike. I am hoping the reports of a more open sound stage will help with that.

I am trying to decide between the A4's and the A6's. I will primarily be using these for solo practice and listening to music at home. As my band starts to move into IEMs, I will use it for that too. But I don't see that happening for a while. Given that the main use now will be for home practice and general home studio use, which would you recommend?

BTW, I really wish 64 Ears would produce a real frequency response chart. Sub, low, mid and high are such subjective terms that they are almost meaningless. Companies selling to sound professionals should have professional level specs.
 
#603
monkeyfinger said:
I ordered a pair of A6's last November during the sale. I got the impressions done on January 11th. I still have not sent them in. Now that I am reading the feedback on the ADEL series, I think I would prefer those. One thing I notice is that there is a big difference between using my Mesa Boogie D-800 amp with a Fearless F212 and using my headphones even when using the DI out of my amp. I would like the sound to be more alike. I am hoping the reports of a more open sound stage will help with that.

I am trying to decide between the A4's and the A6's. I will primarily be using these for solo practice and listening to music at home. As my band starts to move into IEMs, I will use it for that too. But I don't see that happening for a while. Given that the main use now will be for home practice and general home studio use, which would you recommend?

BTW, I really wish 64 Ears would produce a real frequency response chart. Sub, low, mid and high are such subjective terms that they are almost meaningless. Companies selling to sound professionals should have professional level specs.
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Headphone sound will never sound the same as an amp and cabinet...ever. But, having a good IEM fit and enough drivers to handle frequency duty will be miles above what you're used to practicing with, and it will definitely blow you out of the water for personal listening. If you can do it, go for the A6 model. If you're a bit of a bass-head (music EQ-wise), go for the A4's though.
 
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overbybr said:
Headphone sound will never sound the same as an amp and cabinet...ever. But, having a good IEM fit and enough drivers to handle frequency duty will be miles above what you're used to practicing with, and it will definitely blow you out of the water for personal listening. If you can do it, go for the A6 model. If you're a bit of a bass-head (music EQ-wise), go for the A4's though.
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While I don't have ADELs, I gotta say the Qis with their 4 drivers are very neutral. I keep hearing people talk about how the 4 driver models are bassy and/or boomy but these are the most neutral, natural sounding buds/headphones I have ever heard. Sure, if you can swing the A6s go for it (I would, price no object I'd be rocking A12s), I just don't think you're going to hear a huge difference between those 2 models. You will however be impressed with how they sound!

Not trying to ruffle any feathers, this is just my little anecdote.

EDIT: Just wanted to add, so much of what we hear is subjective not only to a persons preference but also dependent on the health of their ears. Personally, I get my ears tested annually and I don't have any frequency deficiencies, what I'm hearing is a pretty good interpretation of what my Qis are putting out. As for my preferences though, I do like to hear some bass. ;-)
 
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#605
The Qi's are more bass heavy than the V6-S, which for me is perfect. That is not to say, however, that they are boomy or muddy, or DUB'y. As I, and others, have said repeatedly, they're very clear and articulate in the bass frequency range (and across the rest of the range). For me, this is a plus because I like being able to hear the tone of the bass, and the tuning of the Qi's gives me that without having to mess with an EQ.
 
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overbybr said:
The Qi's are more bass heavy than the V6-S, which for me is perfect. That is not to say, however, that they are boomy or muddy, or DUB'y. As I, and others, have said repeatedly, they're very clear and articulate in the bass frequency range (and across the rest of the range). For me, this is a plus because I like being able to hear the tone of the bass, and the tuning of the Qi's gives me that without having to mess with an EQ.
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Agreed. The Qi's are a bit more bass forward, and the A3's I just got are a bit more balanced to my ears. I don't have the ability to try the A4's but I do feel less in ear pressure with the 3's, likely coming from one less sub and the ADEL diaphragm. I think the A6's would be really cool, but I've spent far too much cash on equipment the past 12mo, hence the A3's.
 
#608
I have both the A4 and V6s in my possession and have played live and listened to digital music with both. I prefer the A4 for live music but listening to digital music the V6s tends to have more mid and high presence due to the extra drivers, so if I had it to do over, I would buy the A6 model and call it a day.

monkeyfinger said:
I am trying to decide between the A4's and the A6's. I will primarily be using these for solo practice and listening to music at home. As my band starts to move into IEMs, I will use it for that too. But I don't see that happening for a while. Given that the main use now will be for home practice and general home studio use, which would you recommend?
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#610
Standing next to the drummer with the V6s, I was isolated from the drummer, which was kind of nice but I had to have drums put into my mix. With the A4 I can hear the drummer acoustically at a good level where I don't have to add drums to my mix. I prefer to keep my mix as clean as possible in my ears so if I can keep from adding drums to my IEMs, I am happy.

Is anyone running an EQ right at the headphone amp and IEMs?

lostinafog said:
Wish I could have gotten the A4s, but my ears are too small to fit the drivers :(
Oddly the A6 drivers will fit... I don't pretend to understand, I just will be happy to have some protection from my Drummer :D
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#611
CrashClint said:
Is anyone running an EQ right at the headphone amp and IEMs?
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Not me, but i DO have full EQ capability on the output buss of our X32 mixer.. I generally have not used it.
I also have EQ capability on my Senn G3 wireless.. but again do NOT use it.
I prefer to keep my IEM signal un-EQ'd as it helps to hear what's actually going to FOH - as that's what we monitor.
Doesn't tell us what it sounds like out front (different mix levels) but it does let us know if anything sounds "off"!
 
#612
CrashClint said:
Is anyone running an EQ right at the headphone amp and IEMs?
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I've EQ'd at home a bit on my XR18 but that's about it, more just foolin around and learning the UI for the XR18. Live everything is EQ'd flat. (As far as I know anyway, we haven't run our own sound since I started using IEMs.)


With my Qis drums are the only thing I haven't had to add to my feed, I'm usually set pretty close to my drummer and he plays, let's just say with a firm hand. While I get decent sound reduction with them I don't feel isolated, I can still hear things going on around me pretty easily even though I think they are sealing well enough. Might try some of those hearing aid strips and see if they tighten up a little more.
 
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#613
Been using my V6's for about a month now. Love them. The fit is snug, the sound is great. I still place a dab of coconut oil in my ear canal before I wear them, but I'm not really sure I need to. I love the fact I can smile and move my head without the seal breaking. I will edit a comment I made earlier : The extra long cord is a must. ....Now I'm not so sure it's a must. I have only used them standing really close to my Avioms. I will play in a venue next week, where I have a bigger stage, so we'll see if the extra length of the cord is helpful, but I"ll hold off on saying the extra long cord is a must.
 
#614
hambonie said:
so we'll see if the extra length of the cord is helpful, but I"ll hold off on saying the extra long cord is a must.
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I tried the extra long 64" vs standard 48" lengths.
Being [mostly - see info below] wireless, I CARRY the body pack (back jeans pocket) and the 64" length was simply more cable to stash away while I played.
Running the 4' cable down my back and into my back pocket was plenty long enough, so I've stuck with that length.

I could see that if one is tethered directly to an Aviom-like station, that the extra length would be advantageous.
That said, for me it would not be long enough. We have headphone extension cables when using those devices at church, and wrap it around my jeans belt loop (so I don't accidentally disconnect), so the 4' length is still plenty.
YMMV
 
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#615
I just ordered A4's and can't wait to get them.
But I need to get some input from some more experienced users.
My current set up.
Praise & Worship at church. Pretty wide stage. {See Picture) Seating is 1300(if that matters)
I don't sing but I do move around some on stage and engage in worship.
Aviom A16II personal mixer. No amps on stage. Right now my bass is wireless direct to the board split to 2 channels. 1 for the line arrays and 1 for the subs. Only 2 floor monitors on stage and they will go away when the singers develop confidence in IEM's.
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What do guys recommend for a wireless IEM system?
Straight out of the Aviom into the IEM system or into a mixer/headphone amp first?


Any input and suggestions would be appreciated.
 
#616
bassWR said:
What do guys recommend for a wireless IEM system?
Straight out of the Aviom into the IEM system or into a mixer/headphone amp first?
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If you are going to go wireless IEM, you will need to feed it out of the Aviom phones (stereo) out into the wireless unit. You will need an "insert" or "Y" type cable to take the stereo (TRS) feed into the L/R channels on the transmitter. If you don't, you won't get a stereo mix. You will need to adjust the signal level to the xmitter input via the Aviom master vol. Too many controls IME. <shrug>

For wireless, I use the Sennheiser G3 IEM system in my band (but not church). There are cheaper options out there - PSM300, EM900, AS900, Senn XSW and so on.. Decide on a budget.. those A4's should be killer with the G3 (much like my Qi's)!

I do NOT go wireless from our church Aviom system. I use a 25' head phone extension cable, loop it around my belt loop and plug my IEM's into it.
There PLENTY volume from the Aviom itself, so NO NEED for a headphone amp.
 
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#617
Audio Technica M2 and M3 are great IEM systems. Otherwise follow s0c9's advice.

Our church uses PSM900's, straight out of the Aviom mixers, no headphone amps required. The Aviom has gobs of gain, and IEM's don't require a lot of amperage. That's partly (maybe even mostly) due to the seal they provide between your ear drum and the ambient noise: better signal to noise ratio, thus a lower input power is needed to drive them comfortably.
 
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#618
Hi Everyone
Just got this email from 64 Audio today
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Hello!



We at 64 Audio would like to give you an update on the changes in our V-Series line of in-ear monitors (IEMs) coming up at the end of February.



Qi, V3, V2 Models Discontinued

On February 29, 2016 12:01AM PST the Qi, V3, V2 models will be discontinued and will no longer be available for purchase. This is due to a decrease in demand for these particular models. However, this will not affect the support and warranty of these products (2 year warranty from purchase date).



V6-S, V8 Models Price Adjustment

The V6-Stage and V8 models will remain available and will have more standard options included (recessed sockets, charcoal shell color as standard option). The MSRP on these models will also be adjusted beginning February 29, putting the V6-Stage at $799 and V8 at $999.



Upgrade V6-S, V8 to ADEL

We have heard from customers asking if they could upgrade their V-Series IEMs to the A-Series with ADEL technology. We looked into this and we are pleased to announce that we will be able to upgrade a V6-S to an A6 and a V8 to an A8 at $499 for each model. All other V-Series models are not eligible for upgrades. The upgrade option will be available starting February 29. Stay tuned for more information.



Ordering Qi, V3, V3 before Feb 29

If you currently have an account setup with us, you can continue to place Qi, V3, V2 orders until February 29. If you are interested in setting up pricing for the new A-Series with ADEL technology, please contact your account rep or email [email protected].


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