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2011 NFL Draft
- Thread starter SoComSurfing
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You Tampa guys shouldn't pay any attention to Gard. He doesn't say anything nice about any of the teams in the NFC South.
Tampa could have picked Ingram and Jordan and we would have heard how terrible both of those guys are.
-Mike
Hiya Mike!
Didn't pay attention? I just stated that TB was the real threat in the NFC South, not Atlanta. However, they DID pick two guys with physical issues in rounds 1 & 2, and I will question that a bit. Not as much as trading FIVE picks to get ONE WR, of course, which is the epitome of DUMB.
Good draft for the Steelers by the way...
You actually pay attention to "helmet head" and "skippy the wonder poof"?
Kiper gave the Saints a "C+" on their draft...I think he has brain damage from that stuff on his head.
Gard! Hey buddy....yeah, I'm with you on Kiper and McShay. I don't pay them no attention. They get a few right each year which must be why they keep their jobs. How in the world can you and I score a gig like they have anyway???
-Mike
-Mike
No kidding, right? I bet you and I could get together and be more accurate than those two @$$clowns.
:scowl: Why does anyone pay attention to them, much less give them money? In other news, how pissed are you at Dimitroff for single-handedly making the Browns relevant while also emasculating the Falcons (for which I applaud him)?
You actually pay attention to "helmet head" and "skippy the wonder poof"?
Kiper gave the Saints a "C+" on their draft...I think he has brain damage from that stuff on his head.
I didn't say I listened to them, but I would much rather read about the draft and draft grades than the lockout crap.
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For the most part the draft grades immediately after are based on whether or not a team listened to [insert draft expert's name] mock draft for them.
The Pats are getting roasted in the national press and even the local press this year. Coach Hoodie has had his share of swings and misses, but he has done reasonably well in 2009 and 2010 so I'm still in the "In Bill We Trust" camp.
The big criticism seems to be that they didn't get a pass rusher. Using the first pick for a big OT was generally thought to be OK as they did need help for an aging offensive line. The question is whether the best way to fill the pass rusher need is through the draft - the Pats typically have gone the free agent route for that role. Time will tell if any of the rushers left on the board are the real deal - it may have just been too risky to take one there. You can never have enough good CB's so I am OK with Dowling.
I like the Mallett pick. Give the kid a few years to learn the offense and learn how to be a professional athlete and he could well be the best QB out of the bunch. He is not the most mobile in this draft but he has the quickest football mind and is one of the few that could step in and run a pro offense, if need be. I watched the Gruden QB Camp show with Mallett and the kid definitely has an edge, but I don't get the sense that he is as big a lunkhead as Roethisberger or Favre (to name two who did pretty well in the NFL). He's the son of coach and a football junky just like his new boss. There is a ton of potential in Mallett (and really not too much risk as a 3rd rounder) and if any team can harness that talent it is the Pats. Dropping to the 3rd round is a wakeup call for the kid and he knows exactly why it happened - I'm hoping he gets his stuff together and will make all the other teams that passed on him 2 or 3 times very sorry.
The Pats are getting roasted in the national press and even the local press this year. Coach Hoodie has had his share of swings and misses, but he has done reasonably well in 2009 and 2010 so I'm still in the "In Bill We Trust" camp.
The big criticism seems to be that they didn't get a pass rusher. Using the first pick for a big OT was generally thought to be OK as they did need help for an aging offensive line. The question is whether the best way to fill the pass rusher need is through the draft - the Pats typically have gone the free agent route for that role. Time will tell if any of the rushers left on the board are the real deal - it may have just been too risky to take one there. You can never have enough good CB's so I am OK with Dowling.
I like the Mallett pick. Give the kid a few years to learn the offense and learn how to be a professional athlete and he could well be the best QB out of the bunch. He is not the most mobile in this draft but he has the quickest football mind and is one of the few that could step in and run a pro offense, if need be. I watched the Gruden QB Camp show with Mallett and the kid definitely has an edge, but I don't get the sense that he is as big a lunkhead as Roethisberger or Favre (to name two who did pretty well in the NFL). He's the son of coach and a football junky just like his new boss. There is a ton of potential in Mallett (and really not too much risk as a 3rd rounder) and if any team can harness that talent it is the Pats. Dropping to the 3rd round is a wakeup call for the kid and he knows exactly why it happened - I'm hoping he gets his stuff together and will make all the other teams that passed on him 2 or 3 times very sorry.
I agree he has a big arm, but has no mobility, which you need in the NFL and is very "hood", guys on his own team don't like him, as a QB he was never the captain.... DUI arrest, weed, etc is not the guy you want as the face of your franchise. He will never be a starter in NE. There were 5 teams who said that they refused to draft him, even if he fell to the last round.
This is a strategy pick. Bellichek will trade him to a desperate team for a 2nd rounder next year or something like that.
I'll agree that it is a strategy pick - but I don't think the idea is to coach him up a bit and flip him for a second rounder. They will develop him with an idea to taking over if Brady gets hurt or retires after his contract is done (which gives the Pats four more years).
In my mind, Mallett has the right things wrong with him. He's immature and a bit of a jerk and has slow feet. You can fix the first two and minimize the last with a good line and by getting rid of the ball fast (which the kid does). It is harder to fix a weak arm or a guy who panics in the pocket and starts moving before he needs to than to get a talented kid to grow up if he wants a career in the NFL. He certainly can't be any less mobile than Brady or Bledsoe who had some success in the Pats system. Mallett is a gamble but I think he actually has the same 50/50 shot that the six guys drafted ahead of him have. The kid loves to play football enough that he may thrive in the Pats bubble. Unless this is 1983 all over again, of the six guys drafted before Mallett, maybe one will be a star and 2 or 3 more will be serviceable starters for most of their career.
I don't doubt that many teams wouldn't have drafted him in any round and that is the absolute correct decision for those teams. Not every team is as well-equipped to handle a difficult personality as the Patriots - think Randy Moss '07-'09or Corey Dillon '04-'06. The Pats have a good track record in the head case department.
Fair enough...Isn't Hoyer a pretty good backup? I don't think you go for Mallett unless you want to unload him for a picks/trade. I don't see him as a 4 year backup. But, it did help Aaron Rodgers. I am of the feeling that you want guys with that much potential out there, playing and learning on the job, instead of weaning them along.
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It certainly will. There's 3 guys who can potentially take up 5 blockers.
But, they didn't take care of the back 7 like they needed to, which means they will still be susceptible to the toss and quick outside plays.
Bledsoe is similar as far as arm and lack of mobility, if Mallett is half the player that Bledsoe was then it would be a great pick. The difference is that Bledsoe had the reputation and pressure of being the #1 overall like Sam Bradford or Matthew Stafford and he lived up to the billing.
Rodgers is a great comparison as far as having an incumbent star ahead of him. As the 24th pick, they were hoping he would eventually take over, but he didn't have to right away. Favre was 36 in Rodgers rookie season; Brady will be 34 at the beginning of this season (if it happens). Brady was ready in a year although who knows when Belichick would have given him the team if Bledsoe hadn't been injured.
Hoyer must be a decent backup as he was the only backup QB the Pats carried last year (Edelman, a WR played QB in college). I'm assuming that they will carry 3 QBs this year. Hoyer only has 42 attempts - that is not much more than 1.5 games worth over 2 years. Hoyer was an undrafted free agent. Mallett has a better chance to be a better-than-average starter some day and could emerge as the #1 backup this year or next. If that happens, maybe the Pats get a pick for Hoyer down the road. If Mallett flames out, they still have time to secure a new franchise QB over the next 4 years.
Rodgers is a great comparison as far as having an incumbent star ahead of him. As the 24th pick, they were hoping he would eventually take over, but he didn't have to right away. Favre was 36 in Rodgers rookie season; Brady will be 34 at the beginning of this season (if it happens). Brady was ready in a year although who knows when Belichick would have given him the team if Bledsoe hadn't been injured.
Hoyer must be a decent backup as he was the only backup QB the Pats carried last year (Edelman, a WR played QB in college). I'm assuming that they will carry 3 QBs this year. Hoyer only has 42 attempts - that is not much more than 1.5 games worth over 2 years. Hoyer was an undrafted free agent. Mallett has a better chance to be a better-than-average starter some day and could emerge as the #1 backup this year or next. If that happens, maybe the Pats get a pick for Hoyer down the road. If Mallett flames out, they still have time to secure a new franchise QB over the next 4 years.
It obviously depends on Free agency. The Lions still no doubt have needs at Cornerback and Outside LB. But I think the draft makes the Lions more attractive to those Free agents, it also means you don't necessarily need studs at those roles. The LB's won't have to be great pass rushers, the Lions will get all the pressure they want form their front four. And the CB's won't have to cover as long.
I also suspect their other picks (Lashure in particular) mean the offense may hold the ball longer too making it easier on the D. I'm not calling for a super Bowl, I just think they will be a playoff team with a healthy Stafford. I'm not sold on the Bears, who I think had the luckiest record in the league last year.
I liked the Lions picks as well. You can never have too many good big guys up front, I agree that it makes everyone else on D better. The back guys don't have to worry as much about run support so that alone helps the pass defense.
Detroit has suffered through a lot of tough NFL seasons but they are clearly on the upswing these days.
Detroit has suffered through a lot of tough NFL seasons but they are clearly on the upswing these days.
Agreed. Detroit is about to start turning the NFC North upside down to an extent. I'm not saying they'll unseat GB, but they will certainly outperform Minn and will probably upset Chicago's applecart as well.
Very happy to see it for the Lions fans, fantastic draft.
This is a passing league by far these days. The days of feature backs are over. There are only a few feature backs left (AP, CJ) and passing is king. Therefore, it's all about getting to the QB and protecting the QB, both thing the Lions seem to have down now.
X factor is Stafford staying healthy and getting the ball to Megatron on a regular basis.
Quick notes:
Nick Fairley is a thug(insert Detroit joke) I hope Suh's presence rubs off on him or the Lions have problems, there's a reason he fell.
Tampa killed it with their first two picks. Adrian has never had problems before last season's, so I wouldn't be too worried about him. Bowers is a little more risky but if he pans out, 75/25, this could be a huge steal. People talk about Detroits D-line (which is ferocious) but Tampa has as much, if not more potential.
Titan's took a huge chance, but I'd rather take a chance based on character than skill.
Ponder should not have been picked in the first round, let alone top 25.
Saints were screwed on their trade.
Falcons were had by...THE BROWNS?????
Seattle packed it in, From Twitter: "@andrewluck Can't wait to see Space Needle!"
I about cried with joy when Houston didn't pick Prince, got Brooks Reed and traded up for Brandon Harris in the first 2 rounds.
Patriots continue to stockpile picks for Armageddon. Also pickup a monster arm attached to the head of a squirrel.
Cam Newton.
Nick Fairley is a thug(insert Detroit joke) I hope Suh's presence rubs off on him or the Lions have problems, there's a reason he fell.
Tampa killed it with their first two picks. Adrian has never had problems before last season's, so I wouldn't be too worried about him. Bowers is a little more risky but if he pans out, 75/25, this could be a huge steal. People talk about Detroits D-line (which is ferocious) but Tampa has as much, if not more potential.
Titan's took a huge chance, but I'd rather take a chance based on character than skill.
Ponder should not have been picked in the first round, let alone top 25.
Saints were screwed on their trade.
Falcons were had by...THE BROWNS?????
Seattle packed it in, From Twitter: "@andrewluck Can't wait to see Space Needle!"
I about cried with joy when Houston didn't pick Prince, got Brooks Reed and traded up for Brandon Harris in the first 2 rounds.
Patriots continue to stockpile picks for Armageddon. Also pickup a monster arm attached to the head of a squirrel.
Cam Newton.
