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29 Pedals EUNA - baked-in EQ?

#81
depalm said:
In professional studios, countless times you make use of really expensive equipment whose sound result is subtle. But it makes a difference on the whole.

EUNA is not just a regular buffer.

SansAmp and Noble are not even comparable, nor directed to the same type of users.
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I've recorded in professional studios many times, and these subtle differences hardly matter anymore because technology allows you to compensate for almost anything.

Regarding SansAmp and Noble: My point was that you can't hear the differences in a band mix. I've used both devices for an extended period and was able to compare them. Perhaps more noticeable in a studio setting, but see above.

Basically, it's perfectly fine to spend a lot of money on barely audible differences and a lot of marketing hype. What's not okay is making baseless claims.
 
#82
Mr_BK said:
You have got your facts wrong. A buffer works. A good buffer works better. Basics. Homeopathy does not work, it tricks the mind. Your comparison is flawed.

The question was if the EUNA has a baked-in tone in additon to it being a good buffer. Another point is if the high input impedance of the EUNA has an effect. All valid questions about a device. Also, the EUNA offers the possibility to include old Fuzzes and stuff into a pedal chain without messing it up.
The EUNA has its uses and its users, it seems.

The fact that you are not interested does not make those who are crazy people. The train of thought arriving at such a conclusion is psychologically far more interesting than the claim that the Sansamp (that has nothing to do with our topic btw) gets no attention when the Noble is mentioned.
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I never claimed that a buffer doesn't work. I only know that the device in question doesn't produce the effect to the extent claimed. Just like the Noble, I was also able to test it extensively.

Furthermore, I discussed this with studio and professional musicians, and many of them laughed themselves silly. What did generations of musicians ever do without this wonder device?

As I mentioned before: It's perfectly fine to choose to use one. However, the discussions surrounding it are often pure satire. That's another parallel to the Noble.
 
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Maybe, just maybe it is not the facts but the attitude behind the argumentation. The "looking down" aspect surrounding the facts.
Of course it is perfectly fine to use such a stoopid little overpriced box as long as one accepts being labelled "crazy" and having one's discussions titled "satire". This might not sit well with people.

And the satire is that those "professionals" likely spent absurd amounts of money on gear that does barely audible things just as this one.

And thanx to the bait we have the thread derailed. Where the initial question was ... clarifications about the device.
Working as intended I guess.
 
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I decided to keep it. My wireless pedal has been my buffer, but when I want to just plug in a cable, I want some sort of a buffer. I will just switch out the Shure and the EUNA depending on my needs. The fact that it doesn't seem to be coloring my signal at all is a positive I've decided. The nice thing about the EUNA for me is that I guess I can actually remove my tuner from the signal path, just run it through the send/return and it will only be engaged when I click the switch on the EUNA? I'm going to try that out next. Also, as I mentioned above, some bass players I like use the switches on the EUNA to add some color to their tone. I'm looking forward to spending more time trying those settings out. All in all, glad I got it. Thanks for starting this thread!!
 
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I have a Euna and a clone and I really enjoy the subtle EQ of the B and L switches engaged. Have one in both of my setups. I use a passive p bass and I like it. Thats enough for me. Thanks @Mr_BK for your thoughtful and kind commentary. I guess my only gripe is I wish it had a version without a switch and the clean loop. I want a smaller always on unit.
 
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bigmikebass said:
I have a Euna and a clone and I really enjoy the subtle EQ of the B and L switches engaged. Have one in both of my setups. I use a passive p bass and I like it. Thats enough for me. Thanks @Mr_BK for your thoughtful and kind commentary. I guess my only gripe is I wish it had a version without a switch and the clean loop. I want a smaller always on unit.
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Thank you.

As for your wish: T McClure sold me a clone here:
RCO Pedals Skeptical Buffer

For sale RCO Pedals Skeptical Buffer

EUNA buffer clone
$75.00

I don't know if they are still in production though.
 
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Mr_BK said:
Thank you.

As for your wish: T McClure sold me a clone here:
RCO Pedals Skeptical Buffer

For sale RCO Pedals Skeptical Buffer

EUNA buffer clone
$75.00

I don't know if they are still in production though.
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For others wanting one, if you message RCO on Reverb, he will build one. He’s using a board from the clone kit, but I’d guess having it set to always on would be an easy mod for him to do.
 
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bigmikebass said:
I want an always on unit. Easier under the board so it won’t accidentally get turned off- don't have to worry- always on.
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It's a Pedal PCB board, very easy to make without a footswitch.


I've built one (a Euna clone that is) - it sounds nice... but the EQ change I heard is just what I would expect plugging into a 3.3M impedance input.
The switches were nice, but didn't change my life... except the bass switch into a OC2 is beautiful.
 
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#91
andare said:
Literally just a buffer, an overdesigned one at that, with a ton of marketing mumbo jumbo.
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ra0ulduke said:
Three hundred dollars for "I can honestly hear a subtle difference in my tone when using it"? It's your decision, of course, but in my opinion, that's crazy. Reminds me of homeopathy: it doesn't work beyond the placebo effect.
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I was very skeptical of the EUNA when it first came out. There's a long thread on TGP about it. I voiced my skepticism early in that thread. I now have a EUNA on three of my boards. If you're only using a couple pedals then the EUNA might not make a big difference, but if you are using a lot of pedals and running a lot of cable, then the EUNA really helps.
 
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Meriphew said:
I was very skeptical of the EUNA when it first came out. There's a long thread on TGP about it. I voiced my skepticism early in that thread. I now have a EUNA on three of my boards. If you're only using a couple pedals then the EUNA might not make a big difference, but if you are using a lot of pedals and running a lot of cable, then the EUNA really helps.
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Yes, it's a buffer and that's what buffers do.
 
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Meriphew said:
Yes but not all buffers are created the same. I own several, and have sold a few. The ones that I own that are actually different are the EUNA, and the old tube VHT Valvulator I.

Your comment is like saying all tuners are the same because they all tune.
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All I said is the EUNA is an overnegineered buffer (it has a power supply that demands an unnecessary amount of mA.). You're right, buffers are not all the same. This one also has 3 EQ switches and loop. Those can be useful.
I haven't changed my mind about the copy on the website.
 
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So ... as I see it the facts resulting from this discussion are the following:

1) the EUNA is a (presumably) very good buffer, some call it overengineered. It does what a buffer does.
2) it offers EQ options as simple switches as well as an FX-Loop outside the buffer circuit in addition to that
3) it has a luxury-type power input
4) it has a very high input impedance of 5 MOhm which changes the tonal response with passive instruments, it then adds clarity. Less so or not at all with active basses.
5) it is possible that it has a baked-in tone, but the experts in this thread have diverging opinions on that (I am not part of the experts group)
6) it is expensive if all you want is a simple buffer

In the end, it works for me. It stays on the recording board. My passive FSOs sound better with it even without any switch engaged. For a gigging board though, I don't use it. Too much real estate and not enough benefits in a life situation.

I thank you all for your insights.
 
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andare said:
All I said is the EUNA is an overnegineered buffer (it has a power supply that demands an unnecessary amount of mA.). You're right, buffers are not all the same. This one also has 3 EQ switches and loop. Those can be useful.
I haven't changed my mind about the copy on the website.
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The EUNA is by far the easiest pedal to power on my board. I just plug anything from my iso power block into it and it works as it should.

From 29 Pedals site:

"Connect power to the WHATEVER power input with a standard DC plug. You can use AC or DC, either polarity, 7.5 to 35 volts. EUNA consumes about 120 mA."
 

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