Yeah, not gonna lie, the similarly tough to find xerograph deluxe is pretty appealing too
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3Leaf Audio Club - Episode 2
- Thread starter fivestringgecko
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My filter tastes are:
XD - exp sweeps
GR2 - up filter (eq in loop to fine tune for extra thick n wet quack)
Proton v4 - down filter (w/ D2 and a chorus it is very synthy)
XD - exp sweeps
GR2 - up filter (eq in loop to fine tune for extra thick n wet quack)
Proton v4 - down filter (w/ D2 and a chorus it is very synthy)
In my experience all the 3leaf filters struggle to 'quack' & the ones with expession have a very narrow sweep which is disappointing.... maybe I'm just spoiled from the Xerograph Deluxe though :/
Ive really been enjoying the Analog.Man envelope filter for classic filter tone & it actually pairs well w/ the Doom 2 without an fx loop
This is really interesting, Ive tried a Proton v4 twice & couldn't bond with it at all. I've not tried the previous iterations so am not sure if the previous ones take after the Wonderlove vs the v4 taking after the Chromatron. Perhaps the difference in experience is dependent on having an active bass vs a passive bass? I only use passive basses so am only coming from that perspective.
I have the IE Xerograph on my board right behind the Proton for a second flavor of filter. Here’s a pic of my usual settings, and yes, the Plumes isn’t hooked up in the pic. I’ve been rotating and trying different drives in that spot(after Octabvre and before DOOM2). I’m 77% passive in the current bass lineup too, but I do always have either a Cali76b or Wren & Cuff Phat Phuck B ahead of the 3Leaf trio boosting the signal a bit. Definitely a difference in quack between raw passive signals and ones with a little extra juice in the chain IME.
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It was a recent TB purchase. Wanted a painted one to pair with Polytope #1, which I still can’t believe I scored on here. Definitely my favorite Reverb and Chorus pedals for bass.
Completely agree. I own the GR2, Wonderlove and Chromotron. The GR2 is the “greasiest” and most bubbly of the 3. The Chromotron in the most transparent. The Wonderlove is in the middle of the bubbly to transparent spectrum (pun intententional). I love all 3, but FWIW Wonderlove just knocked Chromotron off my board.
Just realized this thread is back, also super happy to see all the discussions around circuit changes, stacking, etc 
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So I hardly know anything about electronics and such, but to respond to @MisticoRitualista and @gkbass13 points, I too was having trouble getting my Proton V4 to quack…until I put my cali76 in front of it with a boosted signal. It’s freaking sweet, and it even kicked my Barbanera off (still keeping it around for spacey synth stuff).
However, my question to the group (and for maybe @MisticoRitualista to try to help getting his to quack right) is would putting a buffer like an Euna first in the chain solve the theory that maybe active basses work better with the 3 Leaf lineup?
Besides being able to eq your bass signal before it hits anything, isn’t the main purpose of an active preamp is to buffer your signal coming out of the bass?
.So I hardly know anything about electronics and such, but to respond to @MisticoRitualista and @gkbass13 points, I too was having trouble getting my Proton V4 to quack…until I put my cali76 in front of it with a boosted signal. It’s freaking sweet, and it even kicked my Barbanera off (still keeping it around for spacey synth stuff).
However, my question to the group (and for maybe @MisticoRitualista to try to help getting his to quack right) is would putting a buffer like an Euna first in the chain solve the theory that maybe active basses work better with the 3 Leaf lineup?
Besides being able to eq your bass signal before it hits anything, isn’t the main purpose of an active preamp is to buffer your signal coming out of the bass?
Just to chime in on this particular chat, what I have found is that it's about the strength of signal hitting a filter that seems to determine how much it will open/quack. I've tried a number of filters over the years (the search has stopped with a Xerograph Deluxe), and in every case, if I wasn't giving the pedal a strong enough signal, it just wouldn't open up properly. Even with adjusting the sensitivity knob(s), it never quite sounded right if the input wasn't hot enough.
I also use passive basses, so the signal isn't naturally the hottest. But in the last 18 months or so, what I've been doing running an always-on tube preamp (Sushi Box) in front of the filter, and that boosts the signal sufficiently that the filter is just as juicy as needed. I also only bring one bass to a gig, so it's never a case of needing to adjust the signal feeding the filter. Adding multiple instruments with varying output levels is just an extra thing to balance which I don't wanna worry about.
I also use passive basses, so the signal isn't naturally the hottest. But in the last 18 months or so, what I've been doing running an always-on tube preamp (Sushi Box) in front of the filter, and that boosts the signal sufficiently that the filter is just as juicy as needed. I also only bring one bass to a gig, so it's never a case of needing to adjust the signal feeding the filter. Adding multiple instruments with varying output levels is just an extra thing to balance which I don't wanna worry about.
This is why, contrary to a lot of advice, I like having a compressor upstream of a filter. It takes the harshest peaks before they get filtered, and you can set the level to however you want the thing to open.
Now that I'm waiting on a wonderlove... I've got a Dunlop mini exp pedal (dvp4?) but have been considering getting a Lehle for a while.
Has anyone been using one of those, or have a preference on exp pedals with the big box 3 leaf filters? I think I saw that Dunlop ones were recommended, but I'm not too crazy about mine (I use it with my H90)
Has anyone been using one of those, or have a preference on exp pedals with the big box 3 leaf filters? I think I saw that Dunlop ones were recommended, but I'm not too crazy about mine (I use it with my H90)
The Dunlop Mini's have worked well for me on the Chromatron & Wonderlove, as well as on the IE Xerograph Deluxe and Meris Pedals.
Had a Dunlop Mini with a Chromatron and XD, worked well.
I'm using some plastic Roland expression pedal now and it doesn't have near the functionality or build quality the Dunlop did.
I'm using some plastic Roland expression pedal now and it doesn't have near the functionality or build quality the Dunlop did.
the only 3leaf audio pedal I own or have in fact ever used is a Proton III
I use a Free The Tone VCA type compression pedal before the Proton…this is a vast improvement
I had a Dunlop mini for a while but my feet are too big for it so I switched to a Mission Engineering EP-25 Pro Aero
I do the same... Comp is at the front of my signal chain, before filters and synth pedals for exactly the same reason.
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I use a Moog EP-3, robust and cheap. But it's a little big, sometimes I'd like to have the exp pedal on my pedalboard. I may get a Dunlop DVP4 at some point, in addition to the EP-3.
