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410 with a 115. Why so much hate????

#21
Here’s my experience with two cabinets:

I had a GK800rb that has a 100w amp and a 300w amp and a crossover. I hooked up the 300w section to my eden 212xlt and the 100w section to my eden 115. Not only did it look awesome having the two cabinets stacked, it sounded awesome. I could use the boost dial on the GK to dial in more grit and the crossover to tailor the top end grit. The bottom end was super punchy because of the 212’s and the top end was smooth because of the 115. I read billy Sheehan uses or used to use a biamp setup with a 115 for the top end because the slower response of the 15” speaker smooths it out. I found this to be true and really to my taste. The 115 had a lower power rating than the 212 and broke up a bit with the 100W section of the amp. So I got a really killer distortion without any pedals.
Since I have no need to play this loud (I don’t even use my SVT cl) or for that sound unfortunately, I sold the 115 and the GK and this was only in my small basement practice room so could have totally sucked in practice. Somehow I don’t think so though. It was sick!!
 
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I play a fearful 12/6 with a swr henry 8x8. Mines a little opposite though. The 12 can handle way more power than the Henry but it grooves with 8x8 wonderfully. I can definitely feel and hear the lows missing when playing through just the Henry. It ended up working as a combo. Its basically a shot in the dark with mixing cabs
 
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There are a few complications that can arise by using two different cabs. As someone stated before, the 410 is gonna be louder, so you risk blowing the 15 as you try to balance them. I once tried to use my old Hartke 215 with my newer 810, only to find they were reverse phased and cancelled each other out. They were both Hartke, just different lines (vx and xl). Also the benefits are pretty minimal as neither will produce frequencies the other can't. The only effect speaker size has on sound is how wide of a throw they have. 10 S have a narrower throw than 15s. Kinda like the difference between a spot light and a lantern, though not as exaggerated.
 
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craigie said:
Here’s my experience with two cabinets:

I had a GK800rb that has a 100w amp and a 300w amp and a crossover. I hooked up the 300w section to my eden 212xlt and the 100w section to my eden 115. Not only did it look awesome having the two cabinets stacked, it sounded awesome. I could use the boost dial on the GK to dial in more grit and the crossover to tailor the top end grit. The bottom end was super punchy because of the 212’s and the top end was smooth because of the 115. I read billy Sheehan uses or used to use a biamp setup with a 115 for the top end because the slower response of the 15” speaker smooths it out. I found this to be true and really to my taste. The 115 had a lower power rating than the 212 and broke up a bit with the 100W section of the amp. So I got a really killer distortion without any pedals.
Since I have no need to play this loud (I don’t even use my SVT cl) or for that sound unfortunately, I sold the 115 and the GK and this was only in my small basement practice room so could have totally sucked in practice. Somehow I don’t think so though. It was sick!!
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This is my 80's rig, albeit with a Hartke 410XL and 115XL. I still use it in one of my rehearsal spaces and it sounds great. I tried the low amp section (not bi-amped) both with the 15 and the 410 and found sending more power to the 410 balanced the volume better, but with individual level controls it is easy to get the sound you want. But this head was designed for that.
 
#34
40Hz said:
What I don’t get is, if you have a configuration that sounds good to you, what else is there to get?

Just play the thing and stop worrying about it or what others may think.
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I think the consensus science of it all is that it sounds different depending on where you stand. So, it may sound amazing 5 ft from it. But sound terrible 30 ft from it. Or partly vanish 5 ft to the right. Phase cancelling and mismatched power can and will cause some odd listening experiences.

I tried it and rather liked it in practice and small rehearsal rooms. But the feedback I got at venues was that this set up was not favorable for me and adversely affected the band's overall sound. So, it does matter a lot, to me.

But to each their own.
 
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Munjibunga said:
If you're just thinking you want a multiple cab rig, then two of the same cab is your best bet, whether it's 10s, 12s or 15s.
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I wholeheartedly agree with this. I’ve messed with all kinds of cab configurations in my years of playing, and my rule now is find one cab I like very much, and add a second, same, cab. It always works.
 
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viper4000 said:
I think the consensus science of it all is that it sounds different depending on where you stand. So, it may sound amazing 5 ft from it. But sound terrible 30 ft from it. Or partly vanish 5 ft to the right. Phase cancelling and mismatched power can and will cause some odd listening experiences.

I tried it and rather liked it in practice and small rehearsal rooms. But the feedback I got at venues was that this set up was not favorable for me and adversely affected the band's overall sound. So, it does matter a lot, to me.

But to each their own.
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Were you using a crossover? I wonder if it would take care of phase cancellation except maybe around the crossover point, which may give an notch or bump effect you could push around with the crossover.
I don’t expect the setup I described in my earlier post would necessarily sound good live.
 

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