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'66 dot/bound J tribute

Thx for sharing the thread.
That 66 tribute is giving me real gas....

Thanks! :) Like I said at one point, it fully relieved my own gas for a real '66 which is out of reach monetarily. It's a bit heavy (10lbs) but otherwise sounds and plays great and the ideal bass style-wise for my Bond Girl band. Gotta look sharp playing the music of James Bond! ;)
 
Really liking the overall tone/sound of this bass. I switched from GHS Precision flats (as in pic) to some used but boiled/cleaned D'Addario's (came on my '66 P so not certain what variety they are) and like the round-wound sound. I've had flats on this neck (attached to various bodies) since it was new, some 7 years now - so it's a fresh change. I just ordered my new favorites - D'Addario EXL170BT (nickel wound- balanced tension 45/60/80/107) I have the beefier EXL 160BT (50/67/90/120) on the '66 P and love them on that bass - matches well with the C neck and 'old-school' tone. Apparently James Jamerson liked the big 'cables' on his Motown-mojo P. I've used and liked the GHS Progressives for years but I just felt it was time for a change. It's no surprise that you see so many of the D'Addario multicolored ball-ends when people are showing off their basses here on tb.

Speaking of flats, I use GHS & Thomastik-Infeld on a couple basses, but my fave (on my '66 trib J) is LaBella Deep Talkin' Bass 750FS (45/65/85/105) - silky smooth and great tone.

Hey JIO

Enjoyed reading about your string adventures. Wow, such a personal thing I suppose and so nice to hear about what works for you.

Back in the early days I used Roto SwingBass rounds on my '72 Jazz and my Rick - and yes, I either boiled them or had new ones for each show. We got a deal with Dave Holcomb at GHS a little later and I used GHS exclusively. I mean for me - the magic in that bright piano-like sound was always amazing with those spanking new rounds. It's so funny when I think back on it - I can send you tapes of my playing "live" before we made our studio records and you won't even believe it was me! Totally Wetton/Lake/Squier "live" tonally but when we got into the studio Ken Scott really had a huge influence on me, right or wrong. We recorded a few tracks with the Rick and rounds through my Hiwatt (and some Marshalls and other amps at A&M) and he sat me down and we played with the drum and bass thing. In A-B tests he showed me the power of the rhythm section working as one with a more round full deep tone - and at least in the Happy the Man context, and I really bought into it. There was a power and a magic for me in the way a rounder warmer tone blended with the kick and caused the rhythm section to "breathe together" in a way I wasn't accustomed to. Again - in the HTM context.

Funny thing is - a few days later I got the PRS from Paul - it arrived UPS from Annapolis. I opened it up and we plugged it in. My greatest memory of that is Ken dialing through the 9 position rotary switch and being delighted. The drag for me is that Paul had abandoned the GHS strings I had given him before i left for L.A. in favor of D'Addario "Super Soft" Half Rounds - which the bass came strung with. I was pissed, frankly and I told Ken I was going to call Paul right away and find out what gives. Ken said - wait - before you call him let's record this track "Knee Bitten Nymphs In Limbo" - the only track which I wasn't that happy with using the Rick. I nailed it in one take and Ken just looked at me and said: "My God man, don't change a thing - this bass is one of the best I have ever heard anywhere - exactly as it is!"

So long story short (I know, I know, it is already REALLY long) I called Paul and he told me that for this bass D'Addario were my friends and I should never under any circumstances use anything else. I will spare you the details unless anyone really want to know - but I have been a D'Addario guy since 1978.

So fast forward - I have certain basses that have rounds, for recording only - end of story. DR sent me a big sample batch of strings a number of years ago, so when I need rounds I pull one of those sets out. If and when I finally run out I will get some from D'Addario. I just renewed my D'Addario deal and got a dozen or so sets friday - all Half Rounds with a couple of sets of Chromes.

I find that rounds do not give me the round full deep sound that half's give me with the tone rolled back. They tend to sound thinner and almost "nasally" to me. I can't live with that so my stage basses always have half rounds.

Like I said - strings are a highly personal thing - but it is always so interesting to compare notes....
 
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Love hearing your stories from the 'trenches' - I've played in bands off and on my whole life since high-school but never was at that level. In playing w/Bond Girl, (love my band!) I try every rehearsal and following gig to perfect my bass parts in the overall mix. Simple songs with simple bass parts but it's ultimately critical to shape the exact tone, economy of notes and feel for each song, and all using the same bass. (my '66 trib w/LaBella flats) I'm considering bringing another bass for one song as it will be the most 'rock' song in our set and could profit from the more dynamic edge of rounds. (Kashmir - LZ) Mostly for impact/effect, but may be what's needed to really deliver the goods. I instigated it's inclusion which was a hard-sell to Cherie. All our Bond songs are short and Kashmir is over 6mins long! And not to mention that LZ is a totally 'guy-centric' band - Cherie's been a real rockstar for taking it on. She's still developing her individual take on it (phrasing etc) - but I know she'll kill it live! It'll be intro-ed in Sept at a planned gig, and sit second from our last song with no forward or introduction. I can't wait to hear the response when it starts! (is there anyone on earth that wouldn't want to hear that song live?) It's a difficult song to deliver correctly because it's tempo (94.5 bpm) is so slow. But once mastered - that's where the power lives!
 
Love hearing your stories from the 'trenches' - I've played in bands off and on my whole life since high-school but never was at that level. In playing w/Bond Girl, (love my band!) I try every rehearsal and following gig to perfect my bass parts in the overall mix. Simple songs with simple bass parts but it's ultimately critical to shape the exact tone, economy of notes and feel for each song, and all using the same bass. (my '66 trib w/LaBella flats) I'm considering bringing another bass for one song as it will be the most 'rock' song in our set and could profit from the more dynamic edge of rounds. (Kashmir - LZ) Mostly for impact/effect, but may be what's needed to really deliver the goods. I instigated it's inclusion which was a hard-sell to Cherie. All our Bond songs are short and Kashmir is over 6mins long! And not to mention that LZ is a totally 'guy-centric' band - Cherie's been a real rockstar for taking it on. She's still developing her individual take on it (phrasing etc) - but I know she'll kill it live! It'll be intro-ed in Sept at a planned gig, and sit second from our last song with no forward or introduction. I can't wait to hear the response when it starts! (is there anyone on earth that wouldn't want to hear that song live?) It's a difficult song to deliver correctly because it's tempo (94.5 bpm) is so slow. But once mastered - that's where the power lives!

Sounds Great JIO

I know you are working real hard and Kashmir sounds like a gas. It's always great to throw in something unexpected like that!

I have been programming HTM drum tracks so I can compose the bass lines to some new tunes. You know, bass with no drums is like cereal with no milk. I tried to keep everything pretty basic so I don't step on the drummer's toes - but I really need to have the concept/approach/feel down in order to get any serious work done. It's going great and my Logic chops are getting better by the day.
 
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Mix one part one part James Bond (Goldfinger, Man With The Golden Gun, Goldeneye), one part Led Zeppelin (Kashmir) and one part Gildaxe (shaken not stirred)

Yes I know, Jonesy played a J, but nothing sez' ROCK like a T-bird

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This shows the 2 Spitfire pg's for contrast. The darker one is vintage burgundy speckled (no relic) and the new one is vintage bright red w/extra mild relic treatment & thin black layer. Both beautiful, just different. (yes, slightly different hole pattern - the new one is more authentic to 60's vintage J's)

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Leave it in front of a window. Did (doing) this to my Strat, it's subtly mellowing the finish (surf green) and generally improving things imo.

I actually like it as it is, and wouldn't like if it was yellow like this vintage example, but I wouldn't mind if it aged/amber'd a bit - so could relocate it to accept more UV's.
 
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I'm tellin' you, it's really subtle but very noticeable.
My Ugly-azz Strat almost looks ok. :D

I'll do it (easy enough) - I had Pat shoot the neck including hs face with an amber tint and the hs face is authentically more amber than the body, so some vitamin D won't hurt it! :thumbsup:
 
The top (darker one) is more like my '62 Jazz than the bottom one. However, they're all unique, so basically it's the overall look and color that matter. IMO these two are among the best that I've seen from Spitfire, and Spitfire is way ahead of any of the competition. I just wish he would get his prices down to be more competitive with other makers (read that as so I can afford one for my p-bass).

BTW, your project bass turned out great. Why no bridge ashtray?

This shows the 2 Spitfire pg's for contrast. The darker one is vintage burgundy speckled (no relic) and the new one is vintage bright red w/extra mild relic treatment & thin black layer. Both beautiful, just different. (yes, slightly different hole pattern - the new one is more authentic to 60's vintage J's)

IMG_8598_zpsgjt2axr6.jpg
 
The top (darker one) is more like my '62 Jazz than the bottom one. However, they're all unique, so basically it's the overall look and color that matter. IMO these two are among the best that I've seen from Spitfire, and Spitfire is way ahead of any of the competition. I just wish he would get his prices down to be more competitive with other makers (read that as so I can afford one for my p-bass).

BTW, your project bass turned out great. Why no bridge ashtray?


Each one of Marks pg's are one of a kind and each one done by hand. It's only expensive compared to mass produced imitation photo-tort. I dig both but once I saw the pic of that '66 I was fixated in wanting as close to that as possible - I'm happy!

I had a bridge ashtray on it with a foam wedge initially. Liked it but it covers valuable real-estate in my book. (more of a bridge hugger than a neck hugger) I palm mute a lot and that's exactly where my palm rests! (love the look for photo-ops!) ;)
 
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There are many detailed pictures of a fantastic '66 in Sonic Blue here: Original 1966 Fender Jazz Bass RARE Custom Color Sonic Blue w Matching Headstock | eBay

Talk about off the charts! (including the asking price!) For us mere mortals, the high-def pics are worth the price of admission (free!) It's why I decided to build-up my own - I had to put out the flames after seeing an equally beautiful Burgundy Mist Metallic version years ago on eBay for a similarly out-of-reach price. Thanks for posting!
 
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Talk about off the charts! (including the asking price!) For us mere mortals, the high-def pics are worth the price of admission (free!) It's why I decided to build-up my own - I had to put out the flames after seeing an equally beautiful Burgundy Mist Metallic version years ago on eBay for a similarly out-of-reach price. Thanks for posting!
The asked price is meaningless. But I found the pictures were meaningful. :smug:

On the other side, there are currently 16 'genuine' vintage 1966 Jazzes on ebay.com ... + dozens of hardware. All genuine ??? Come on, something looks wrong ...
(and curiously: nine '65, a single '67, no '68, etc.)
 
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The asked price is meaningless. But I found the pictures were meaningful. :smug:

On the other side, there are currently 16 'genuine' vintage 1966 Jazzes on ebay.com ... + dozens of hardware. All genuine ??? Come on, something looks wrong ...
(and curiously: nine '65, a single '67, no '68, etc.)

Wow - there are a lot of '66 J's on eBay now! (including a few dot/bound's - nice!)

It's funny because vintage guitars go for that much regularly - it just seems like posting a bass no matter how awesome for such a price is a fishing expedition geared at monied "collectors" - not players. Having good friends who are classical (double bass) players, the same thing is true in their arena; (vintage) violin prices astronomical, basses not so high but steadily getting higher over the years. But hard to compare as 100+ yr old instruments are limited contrasted to a mass produced Fender. Anyway, from what I know about Fenders history at that CBS transition time is they still had a lot of stock at the hand-off (mid-65-66) which also was a boom-time for all guitar makers due to a mad rush of orders/sales. There just seems to be less 67-68's out there, maybe because they became overwhelmed or maybe they floated on the '66 stock until they fully made the transition. (those who know please chime in for clarification)
 
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