A local TB'er ripped me off!!

[MultiScaleMale]

But the seller represented to him that he had checked the rod and it worked fine............

Yes. He said earlier that it turned when he checked it. What we don't know is if the buyer broke it and is now trying to blame the seller. There are two sides to every story and in this case there is no particular evidence where i'm going to take sides. One says it was fine, the other says that it broke. There was an in-person inspection, so the responsibility transfers there unfortunately.

 

[4string4ever]

I get that... but it doesn't go from being frozen to the nut and portion of the rod basically falling out in your hand without applying some pressure.

I dint know where you get "falling out in your hand without applying pressure". I never said that, I said that even though it was stiff, I was able to unscrew it. Please do verify what youre quoting before you quote it. Thank you.

 

[10cc]

Probably not. Showing up at a guys house to "fix" an issue is a really dangerous way to get an issue fixed. I would not respond well to that kind of personal intimidation.

Sorry didn't realized I double quoted.

Probably not. Showing up at a guys house to "fix" an issue is a really dangerous way to get an issue fixed. I would not respond well to that kind of personal intimidation.

Years ago I bought a lawnmower from an older fellow. He had for sale out in his yard. I tried it out on the spot in front of him and then negotiated a price. I bought it went home and a day or so later fired it up to cut my yard. After a few passes this thing started to run like crap and smoking out the neighborhood. So I called him up and said "hey man this thing isn't right" he said "sure it is I watched you use it". I said no and he said yes so I hung up the phone and loaded the mower up went back knocked on his door and said "I want you to look me in the eye and tell me there is nothing wrong with this mower" he gave me my money back and life went on.

 

[4string4ever]

You do? Because you keep saying otherwise. The buyer was trying to TIGHTEN the rod, and it was frozen. When he removed the neck, and LOOSENED the nut, it fell off due to broken threads..........

No no no, that's in no way what I said...

 

[guy n. cognito]

Yes. He said earlier that it turned when he checked it. What we don't know is if the buyer broke it and is now trying to blame the seller. There are two sides to every story and in this case there is no particular evidence where i'm going to take sides. One says it was fine, the other says that it broke. There was an in-person inspection, so the responsibility transfers there unfortunately.

The seller seems to believe him, since he's contacting the guy he bought from to try to get resolution.........

 

[Double E]

I'd escalate the claim up the food chain, then. The "you picked it up in person" loophole isn't in any written policy I can find. In my experience, first level support at Paypal is generally useless.

I think you are on to something...the only reference to delivery of the item falls under the terms for seller protection, if a seller does not have proof of delivery from a shipping company then they are not eligible for seller protections. This should not affect the buyer.

 

[PSR B1919+21]

Have you found the seller? Can admins check his ip in talkbass' db? Have you tried to find this scummer on the ebay? You can photo that bass and use google's "find image" service to try to find some additional information about the seller (well, probably)

 

[MultiScaleMale]

Have you found the seller? Can admins check his ip in talkbass' db? Have you tried to find this scummer on the ebay? You can photo that bass and use google's "find image" service to try to find some additional information about the seller (well, probably)

Slow down. You may want to at least skim the thread.

 

[Sweet Willie]

Have you found the seller? Can admins check his ip in talkbass' db? Have you tried to find this scummer on the ebay? You can photo that bass and use google's "find image" service to try to find some additional information about the seller (well, probably)

The seller posted once in this thread already. The buyer has the seller's name and contact info.

 

[PSR B1919+21]

Ops sry i've read the first page only

 

[Handyman]

Look at 13.3, item #6 - Invalid Link Removed

You mean this one?

• For INR claims, items which you collect in person or arrange to be collected on your behalf, including items bought through In-Store Checkout at the retail point of sale

That's for Item Not Received (INR) claims, which this claim is not. He received the item. This would be a Significantly Not as Described claim.

 

[4string4ever]

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Dude, if the truss rod is broken it will spin freely both ways...that what broken means, two separate pieces that have no effect on one another. It can only present as frozen if it is still connected and in one piece. If you read my original post on the subject I did indicate that it may have been hopelessly seized, but if it broke that would take some outside force to then become broken.

hej ket me explain a little more succinctly. The end of the truss rod had been broken off, perhaps quarter or half inch. There were still threads left on the rod after it was snapped off, and a presumably new nut screwed back onto the threads that were left. Make sense now?

 

[MultiScaleMale]

You mean this one?

• For INR claims, items which you collect in person or arrange to be collected on your behalf, including items bought through In-Store Checkout at the retail point of sale

That's for Item Not Received claims, which this claim is not. He received the item. This would be a Significantly Not as Described claim.

Yeah, I re-read that and deleted the post because it was incorrect.

 

[4string4ever]

Dude....broken can mean something other than completely broken. Frozen can mean more than completely stuck. The buyer thought it was frozen, then removed it and realized that it was broken......to use your terminology exactly as you stated it.

Get it? You're picking this guy apart on semantics.

Thank you guy, you understand perfectly.

 

[petrus61]

Yes. He said earlier that it turned when he checked it. What we don't know is if the buyer broke it and is now trying to blame the seller. There are two sides to every story and in this case there is no particular evidence where i'm going to take sides. One says it was fine, the other says that it broke. There was an in-person inspection, so the responsibility transfers there unfortunately.

The deleted account and sudden disappearance of the seller aren't suspicious to you? If I sold a bass that was in perfect working order when it left my possession and the new owner came to TB to rant about how I had ripped him off with a broken truss rod, I'd be right here vehemenently defending myself. It seems like a long way to go with nothing to gain by conjuring up a broken truss story and blame it on someone else. That is TB suicide if in fact it is learned that OP is at fault

EDIT: I apologize for jumping the shark on that one...I managed to miss a great deal of this before stupidly posting!

 

[Sav'nBass]

dude, first thing is first. get an estimate on repair. if it can be fixed relatively inexpensively, get it fixed and it is your right if you wish to not do business with this seller again.

Truss rods sell for what... $13-$40? I'd call Lakland and see about getting a replacement. If you know enough to find that it is broken then is it possible you could also fix it yourself? If I am not mistaken replacing a truss rod is easier than replacing a pre or pups. The bass I mentioned earlier needed $65 worth of repairs to make it playable once I changed the strings.. Since that time I have spent about $400 modding the bass.... and as I said.. it is one of my favorite basses today. Not saying you should just suck it up and move on.. but sometimes that is the best thing to do.

 

[MultiScaleMale]

The deleted account and sudden disappearance of the seller aren't suspicious to you? If I sold a bass that was in perfect working order when it left my possession and the new owner came to TB to rant about how I had ripped him off with a broken truss rod, I'd be right here vehemenently defending myself, not

The account was not deleted.

 

[4string4ever]

[QUOTE="4string4ever, post: 18184618, member: 4 ] The itel is advertised as in "excellent condition", and you're not exactly in a great position to check s truss rod when buying a bass.

Why not?[/QUOTE]
I don't think most buyers carry tools to take a guitar apart when buying face to face from a fellow TB'er, especially in a parking lot. You give it a once over, youre nit sitting at a workspace dismantling the instrument.

 

[Double E]

The deleted account and sudden disappearance of the seller aren't suspicious to you? If I sold a bass that was in perfect working order when it left my possession and the new owner came to TB to rant about how I had ripped him off with a broken truss rod, I'd be right here vehemenently defending myself, not

There is no deleted account or disappearance of the seller... the seller has an active account and has replied to this thread.

 

[Sweet Willie]

Why don't you both just compromise here and split the cost of the repair of the truss rod? It seems like the quickest and simplest way to handle this... <snip>

...So as I said before, why not the both of you put it behind you, act in good faith, and split the repair? While it may not be the best solution you are both looking for, but it is probably the only way it will get resolved quickly. I would also only have the repair done by Lakland to make it fair as well.

miasbass and I were of similar opinion here. I'm quoting this post in case this idea got lost during all of the other interactions since then. Curious what the buyer and seller think of this idea, but more importantly hope they can reach some kind of resolution.