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A local TB'er ripped me off!!

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This is a very simple fix.
If I was the buyer I'd just drive my ass over to the sellers house and look him straight in the eye and ask him.
At the same time if I was the seller I'd tell the buyer to come over to my house and let's talk face to face.

Someone knows the truth and usually when it comes time to stare straight into another mans eyes the truth usually shows up quickly.
I'm not sure I agree. Two angry dudes, face to face? Something else could get broken before anything gets fixed. It might be safer to settle through some mediation.
 
Dude, if the truss rod is broken it will spin freely both ways...that what broken means, two separate pieces that have no effect on one another. It can only present as frozen if it is still connected and in one piece. If you read my original post on the subject I did indicate that it may have been hopelessly seized, but if it broke that would take some outside force.

Dude....broken can mean something other than completely broken. Frozen can mean more than completely stuck. The buyer thought it was frozen, then removed it and realized that it was broken......to use your terminology exactly as you stated it.

Get it? You're picking this guy apart on semantics.
 
Dude....broken can mean something other than completely broken. Frozen can mean more than completely stuck. The buyer thought it was frozen, then removed it and realized that it was broken......to use your terminology exactly as you stated it.

Get it? You're picking this guy apart on semantics.
No, he clearly said he did not break it off, only that it was frozen, then broken. That does not happen by itself. Frozen is not broken, it may be irreparable but there is a difference between broken and frozen. A frozen nut can be potentially released with patience and experience. Broken is not reversible.
 
This is crazy here. It seems that everyone else is making more of this than it needs to be here. The buyer and seller have probably communicated the least on this thread. The more everyone adds to this is just going to stir the pot even more. Instead of focusing on the problem, why not just focus on the resolution here? Some of these other debates going on here, while they are valid, is probably best to be put into another thread, instead of this one.

The buyer obviously wants the bass, that is why he bought it.

The seller wanted to sell the bass that is why he sold it.

There is a conflict as to who caused the problem with the bass. We will never know the truth for sure.

Split the cost to fix it and everyone goes on their merry way.

Simple.

Create another thread to discuss these other valid points that are not really helping the situation that the op is dealing with.
 
No, he clearly said he did not break it off, only that it was frozen, then broken. That does not happen by itself. Frozen is not broken, it may be irreparable but there is a difference between broken and frozen. A frozen nut can be potentially released with patience and experience. Broken is not reversible.
It was frozen because it was bottomed out because some of the threads were previously broken out, giving the nut less purchase. And, no, this broken rod is not reversible.
 
I totally hear you, but if an angry dude were to show up at my home and I do not believe I am in the wrong, a broken bass becomes the least of everyone's troubles. I say this and I am a complete pacifist.

I'm not a pacifist. Some angry guy shows up at my house would be dealing with the cops. If he was really angry and violent, I'd be forced to defend myself. All in all, a REALLY bad way to handle this.
 
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It was frozen because it was bottomed out because some of the threads were previously broken out, giving the nut less purchase. And, no, this broken rod is not reversible.
Not now... but it may have been before someone (who knows who?) turned it past the point of frozen into being broken. This is why it is not recommended to force anything that doesn't want to move, so that it won't break. I seriously can't believe you are arguing this point.
 
Not now... but it may have been before someone (who knows who?) turned it past the point of frozen into being broken. This is why it is not recommended to force anything that doesn't want to move, so that it won't break. I seriously can't believe you are arguing this point.

I was just thinking the same thing. No point in continuing to try to help you understand this. Hopefully, the OP gets his problem resolved.
 
I still don't understand how the truss rod could go from being frozen to broken without it breaking during an attempt to turn it.
Let me explain once again. As the neck is attached to the base, the truss rod is extremely tight, too tight to feel comfortable in forcing. upon the advice of the aforementioned expert in Chicago, I removed the neck, then I had better access to the truss rod nut. At that point, it was more like taking a lid off the jar from a mechanical perspective. The knot comes out, although it was stiff. then upon inspection, I can see that it was threaded onto the end of the truss rod that had been broken previously there was not much left. Perhaps my description of "frozen" to describe how tight it was when the neck was on the base was not the right word to use. Does that make more sense to you?
 
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