Yeah, I'm know it is. I just mentioned DBT to associate the technique with a very proven modality. You're right though.
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A thread where I am sincerely asking for help
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If it helps (it won't): this is all in your head. Now I'll stop reassuring you, that won't do any good.
Look up mindfulness and practice those techniques, play/listen to music, try deep breathing, meditate, do something enjoyable, stop asking people if you messed yourself up, exercise, and if none of that works write a page long script about how you messed yourself up and read it over and over and over and over again.
Look up mindfulness and practice those techniques, play/listen to music, try deep breathing, meditate, do something enjoyable, stop asking people if you messed yourself up, exercise, and if none of that works write a page long script about how you messed yourself up and read it over and over and over and over again.
Keep yourself busy, find something to distract you and keep your mind off everything. Sounds like your paranoia is leading to undue stress, and until it subsides, find something else to occupy your mind.
Transcribe lots of music, hell, even video games help me get my mind off things.
Transcribe lots of music, hell, even video games help me get my mind off things.
Some people just become paranoid easily when taking any kind of substance. My own experience around age 18 was almost exactly as you are now describing. I tried experimenting with a few of the light recreational drugs and always freaked myself out (much to the annoyance of my friends).
I figured "lesson learned" and have strictly limited myself to beer (which has never made me paranoid) since I was legally able to drink it.
You just need a little time to get past the self induced fear that you've been experiencing and you'll be fine.
I figured "lesson learned" and have strictly limited myself to beer (which has never made me paranoid) since I was legally able to drink it.
You just need a little time to get past the self induced fear that you've been experiencing and you'll be fine.
+1. Most of this is psychogenic. You didn't really take enough to trip out, but your body is still feeling the residue of it in your system. It will fade. The trick is recognizing it when it's happening and getting your head wrapped around the thought that it's just passing and it will go away. You're young. You've got your whole life in front of you. Let this experience be a lesson of your personal limits. It's not about whether something is legal, moral, or ethical. It's about simply knowing what you can or can't do, even if your friends are able to handle it, you have to know that you cannot and proceed as necessary. As this works through your system it will happen less frequently.
Still go to a doctor. Be frank and honest about your symptoms. It might not be anything at all. I has a buddy of mine go through a bout of all this and he felt that all those dead shows had caught up with him. It turned out to be an inner ear infection. It will pass my friend. It will pass.
If it makes you feel better, LSD is a lot 'stronger' than LSA. There are very few chemicals that are more potent than LSD - off the top of my head, the only one that comes to mind is ALD-52 (LSD that has been further modified). Of course, that doesn't really matter, because (in order to trip) you simply do more LSA to compensate. But you needn't worry that you took some mega potent chemical that will rot your brain - you'll be ok!
As for the dose you took, it was a low one. If you just ate the seeds whole, I wouldn't be surprised if you never even got high. In the future, I don't recommend consuming those seeds. I don't know if anyone knows all of the active chemicals in them, but they do cause nausea and cramping (though you could say the same about some other hallucinogens).
Regarding your symptoms, it is almost certainly anxiety related. You were normal after you did them, and only later did you think you might have flashbacks.
I think it might be helpful to explain a little about flashbacks. The perception you may have received from movies, television, and classroom anti-drug programs is very likely to be exaggerated.
First, flashbacks are not as common as you might think. Most users of LSD (you know, the real stuff) do not experience flashbacks. Of those who do, the vast majority do not 'flash back' under normal circumstances. Some of the most common situations which cause a flashback are drug use (hallucinogens or marijuana), intention (some people can concentrate and essentially will themselves to have a flashback), and extreme stress/fatigue. It isn't as if you wake up on a Sunday morning and you're in outer space, but if you have done hallucinogens on several occasions, and at some point in the future stay up all night long on loads of caffeine and smoke a joint... that may well cause a flashback.
What is perhaps more comforting is that a flashback is not actually a 'flashback.' Generally speaking, a flashback is the feeling of LSD-like effects - you are flashing back to that tripping state. However, they're typically mild, and only brought out on rare occasion (and even then, not for all users). The frequency with which you flash back depends mostly on your brain, your environment, and how many times you tripped - it's not very predictable. I suppose that if someone tripped an incredible number of times, it could cause permanent or semi permanent problems.
As for what the flashback is actually like? Imagine a few points of light in the periphery of your vision. Or the creases in your hand warping and swirling after staring at them intensely. Auras of light surrounding people or objects. Surfaces may ripple or appear altered in color or texture. There are people who have persistent LSD-like effects, and it's a condition called HPPD. I don't think you have it.
Perhaps most importantly, LSD does NOT cause 'real' hallucinations either during or after ingestion. That is to say, unless you're on some enormous dose of LSD, you are typically somewhat aware of what is and is not real. The same applies to the 'flashbacks.' You do not need to worry that the car you saw was not real. I would NOT recommend doing LSD and crossing the street, but LSD does not cause that kind of hallucination - mainly just distortions in size/shape/color/perception.
In case you're wondering, real hallucinations are when you see something that isn't real, but you are convinced it is - and you may even interact with it/him/her. This is seen in schizophrenia, dementia, and other mental illnesses. Some pharmaceutical drugs, and plants will cause effects like this, but are extremely dangerous - when you take a deliriant, you experience strong hallucinations that cannot be distinguished from reality, and you can imagine how this could be dangerous.
DISCLAIMER: The above post focuses on LSD only because it is well known, but LSD is NOT 'the bad guy' amongst hallucinogens. LSD is not necessarily more likely to cause HPPD or 'flashbacks' than other drugs. Many people believe that it's much safer to do mushrooms, Hawaiin baby woodrose seeds, cough syrup, or other drugs. It isn't. In fact, LSD is actually quite benign in comparison to some of the new research chemicals floating around at clubs - many of which have a totally unknown safety profile, and have been found to be MUCH more likely to cause flashbacks. All I can say is do your research (wikipedia and erowid are good for this). And whatever you do, never huff gasoline or inhale anything! LSD is like candy compared to how bad inhalants are to your brain/body.
PS: Even if there is nothing really wrong with you, if this continues to be a problem, you may need to see your doctor or a psychiatrist. But I think most likely (with hope) you will go on living your life, get preoccupied with some new hobby, girlfriend or extracurricular activity, and totally forget that any of this happened.
As for the dose you took, it was a low one. If you just ate the seeds whole, I wouldn't be surprised if you never even got high. In the future, I don't recommend consuming those seeds. I don't know if anyone knows all of the active chemicals in them, but they do cause nausea and cramping (though you could say the same about some other hallucinogens).
Regarding your symptoms, it is almost certainly anxiety related. You were normal after you did them, and only later did you think you might have flashbacks.
I think it might be helpful to explain a little about flashbacks. The perception you may have received from movies, television, and classroom anti-drug programs is very likely to be exaggerated.
First, flashbacks are not as common as you might think. Most users of LSD (you know, the real stuff) do not experience flashbacks. Of those who do, the vast majority do not 'flash back' under normal circumstances. Some of the most common situations which cause a flashback are drug use (hallucinogens or marijuana), intention (some people can concentrate and essentially will themselves to have a flashback), and extreme stress/fatigue. It isn't as if you wake up on a Sunday morning and you're in outer space, but if you have done hallucinogens on several occasions, and at some point in the future stay up all night long on loads of caffeine and smoke a joint... that may well cause a flashback.
What is perhaps more comforting is that a flashback is not actually a 'flashback.' Generally speaking, a flashback is the feeling of LSD-like effects - you are flashing back to that tripping state. However, they're typically mild, and only brought out on rare occasion (and even then, not for all users). The frequency with which you flash back depends mostly on your brain, your environment, and how many times you tripped - it's not very predictable. I suppose that if someone tripped an incredible number of times, it could cause permanent or semi permanent problems.
As for what the flashback is actually like? Imagine a few points of light in the periphery of your vision. Or the creases in your hand warping and swirling after staring at them intensely. Auras of light surrounding people or objects. Surfaces may ripple or appear altered in color or texture. There are people who have persistent LSD-like effects, and it's a condition called HPPD. I don't think you have it.
Perhaps most importantly, LSD does NOT cause 'real' hallucinations either during or after ingestion. That is to say, unless you're on some enormous dose of LSD, you are typically somewhat aware of what is and is not real. The same applies to the 'flashbacks.' You do not need to worry that the car you saw was not real. I would NOT recommend doing LSD and crossing the street, but LSD does not cause that kind of hallucination - mainly just distortions in size/shape/color/perception.
In case you're wondering, real hallucinations are when you see something that isn't real, but you are convinced it is - and you may even interact with it/him/her. This is seen in schizophrenia, dementia, and other mental illnesses. Some pharmaceutical drugs, and plants will cause effects like this, but are extremely dangerous - when you take a deliriant, you experience strong hallucinations that cannot be distinguished from reality, and you can imagine how this could be dangerous.
DISCLAIMER: The above post focuses on LSD only because it is well known, but LSD is NOT 'the bad guy' amongst hallucinogens. LSD is not necessarily more likely to cause HPPD or 'flashbacks' than other drugs. Many people believe that it's much safer to do mushrooms, Hawaiin baby woodrose seeds, cough syrup, or other drugs. It isn't. In fact, LSD is actually quite benign in comparison to some of the new research chemicals floating around at clubs - many of which have a totally unknown safety profile, and have been found to be MUCH more likely to cause flashbacks. All I can say is do your research (wikipedia and erowid are good for this). And whatever you do, never huff gasoline or inhale anything! LSD is like candy compared to how bad inhalants are to your brain/body.
PS: Even if there is nothing really wrong with you, if this continues to be a problem, you may need to see your doctor or a psychiatrist. But I think most likely (with hope) you will go on living your life, get preoccupied with some new hobby, girlfriend or extracurricular activity, and totally forget that any of this happened.
LMAO!!
Ahhhh... that was SO worth the coffee going down the wrong tube!
To the OP... you seriously need a peyote enema. No... don't actually stick those things up the ole nasty hole. What I mean is do some peyote... it'll clear those nasty issues out of your over-thinking noggin.
Once you have recovered... don't ever do drugs again... you obviously have too many issues tangled up in your "wiring." Get a cat instead... live long.
Listen to some kenny g, and realize that there are worse things in life than silly ol panic attacks
I think you'll be OK.
You may want to be careful discussing stuff like this on a public forum.
I'm in no position to give medical advice but be careful about what anti anxiety drugs your doctor may want to prescribe you if this persists.I would also make sure the people you can discuss this with can be trusted.You do not want this on your record especially at your age.Employers,colleges,insurance companies & people in authority in general are a lot less forgiving about this stuff then they used to be.It's bad enough you have to give a urine sample to hold a crap job.I know you just want to make a clean slate of things but there are people that will use this against you.Admitting any kind of drug use,even marijuana,sets you up for a boatload of trouble these days.Make sure that whoever you talk to,medical or otherwise,can be trusted to keep this confidential.
Don't let all this worry you too much.You're probably going to look back & laugh.
PM me if you need to!
You may want to be careful discussing stuff like this on a public forum.
I'm in no position to give medical advice but be careful about what anti anxiety drugs your doctor may want to prescribe you if this persists.I would also make sure the people you can discuss this with can be trusted.You do not want this on your record especially at your age.Employers,colleges,insurance companies & people in authority in general are a lot less forgiving about this stuff then they used to be.It's bad enough you have to give a urine sample to hold a crap job.I know you just want to make a clean slate of things but there are people that will use this against you.Admitting any kind of drug use,even marijuana,sets you up for a boatload of trouble these days.Make sure that whoever you talk to,medical or otherwise,can be trusted to keep this confidential.
Don't let all this worry you too much.You're probably going to look back & laugh.
PM me if you need to!
Man, you need to loosen up, smoke a joint or something...
wait wut?
No but seriously, relax dude.
wait wut?
No but seriously, relax dude.
Thanks guys. I am not too worried about posting this because they are, in fact, legal.
I talked to the psychologist last night and he gave me some techniques to help with the situation. I think I will be OK in the long run but it will take time.
I talked to the psychologist last night and he gave me some techniques to help with the situation. I think I will be OK in the long run but it will take time.
+1 Excellent post.
I'd like to second Ericman197's recommendation to seek unbiased sources of information on the topic. It sounds like the OP has been influenced (in a very negative way!) by hysterical anti-drug propaganda. While I think it's a good idea for the OP to stay away from these kinds of substances in the future to avoid any panic attack issues, it might be helpful to do some reading about the scientific research on psychedelics done in the 60s before it was completely outlawed. It might help you calm down a bit to hear about the more benign (and often very positive) experiences many test subjects had when the "set and setting" were right. (I did some searching on Amazon trying to find a book I read back in college, but I forget the name and it is likely out of print anyway. "Storming Heaven" by Jay Stevens looks promising, but I have not actually read it myself.)
