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A thread where I am sincerely asking for help
- Thread starter Kruton
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I thought we established last time that no one in the history of the world has ever "tripped" and wasn't 100% sure of it...that since you didn't experience the primary effects of the hallucinogen, there was no possible way to experience residual effects......that your quest to experience the perceived residual effects is futile...and finally, that you should NEVER EVER UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES experiment with hallucinogens again. Seriously!
Yes I have known I didn't trip. I would like to know though how a flashback works (scientifically). What causes it to happen? Why is it that even if I didn't trip then I can't get one now?
And yes, I realize I shouldn't do them again.
There is nothing scientific about flashbacks (not quite true but I'm trying to get a point across). Its nothing chemical, its all mental. I've gotten them in all forms; body high, HPPD and just mental weirdness (never done LSD though, just mushrooms). But unfortunately your mind is much more powerful than any chemical and you can essentially think yourself into a similar state. Fortunately you have a little control over it and, if you play your cards right, you can probably think yourself around it.
If it makes you feel any better that is not a closed eye visual...
When someone says they had closed eye visuals they mean the i-tunes visualizer/some crazy screen saver/that scene from the end of 2001 is happening on the backs of their eyelids when they close their eyes...or like was posted earlier, some sort of crazy object morphing and abstract animation.
The prevailing theory is that residual concentrations of hallucinogen which were previously "dormant" can become reactivated, triggering a flashback. Since any residual concentrations have been attenuated/degraded by the body over time, the flashback is never as strong or long lasting as the original experience.
In my experience and opinion, flashbacks are just an urban legend. A misinterpreted, self-fulfilling creation of ones own mind.
I can make the wall paper peel, on it's own. That's probably a story for the farting thread though
i'm big time against drugs.. thats just me.. but i think this kid needs to actually trip..
he'll trip, be done with it, then realize that all this hype was nothing and go about his life..
watch out... teh wall is staring back at you
he'll trip, be done with it, then realize that all this hype was nothing and go about his life..
watch out... teh wall is staring back at you
Despite what they say in the DARE program, laced weed is pretty uncommon. Marijuana is one of the cheapest drugs out there, so it is generally not profitable to lace cheap weed and sell it, rather than just selling higher grade stuff. Nevertheless, it can happen, and what you describe sounds like either one of two things:
Some VERY strong weed! In very high doses, weed can cause all kinds of visual disturbances, especially if you're having a panic attack. Most people do not ever get that 'high' though, as it becomes incredibly uncomfortable and disorienting (the spins).
or
Weed that has in fact been laced with something. At this point only the guy you bought it from can tell you what was in it. Rainbow trails and whirlpools are characteristic of psychedelics, of which there are many - however, psychedelics are rarely ever smoked (except DMT). Some of the other effects you described sound more like salvia (or another deliriant), but again these are rarely used to lace weed.
Supposedly, the more common things to find in laced weed are freebase cocaine, opium, and PCP. People will sometimes add salvia to the top of the bowl while using a pipe or bong, but I have not heard of salvia being added at or before the point of sale.
However you also did not mention that you were slurring your speech, having difficulty walking, numbness/tingling, or anything that sounded like dissociation. Which doesn't entirely rule out PCP, but makes it a bit less likely.
Although I'd like to say it was just some really strong weed, I'd definitely be interested if you (or anyone else) has some idea what it could be. If it was a pre-rolled joint, or 'shake' (pre-ground), that makes it being laced more likely/possible.
One other possibility is that it was laced with DMT, which may have caused all of the visuals you saw, but would last for at most half an hour. But, if you were really, really high, you may not have been aware of the time (and the effects of the weed may have prolonged the trip).
Kruton:
As far as the scientific basis behind flashbacks, I doubt anyone knows for sure. Most of the theories have been ruled out, or haven't yet been proven. For example, at one point it was believed that LSD stays in your spine and can reactivate a trip at some point in the future. That idea proved to be wrong - it gets metabolized and excreted like any other drug. There are some weak connections with mental illness, but that's very difficult to prove. We know that people with various mental illnesses are more likely to consume drugs, but the question is - did the drugs cause the problem, or did the problem cause them to seek out drugs?
Clearly, one thing you can learn from this experience is that you may be an anxious sort of person, which makes you more prone to the negative side effects of hallucinogens. That's ok - I'm very anxious myself! That isn't to say that you need to be medicated for it either. But you might try analyzing your life and finding ways not only to reduce things that cause you stress, but to reduce how much you worry over things that cause you stress. I don't know you personally, but I would just guess that if you worried so much over this incident, that there may be other things causing you stress as well.
He mentioned his buddy was comatose for 6 hours. I've yet to sample any cannabis that lasted anywhere close to 6 hours. My guess is PCP, it's the classic additive.
Someone who has very low weed tolerance can be high that long. The last 4 hours wouldn't be too strong, but comatose I could see. Especially since so many potheads get high and then fall asleep. But PCP is possible.
