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[Mystic Michael]

FINALLY got to test this in a decent-sized place with FOH support. The rack solves the wonderful Line 6 issue of getting a DI to the house. The dry went to a sansamp RBI and then to one channel of a dbx 166 and the as a "dry" signal to the PA. The "modeled" signal went to the other channel of the dbx 166 and then split(XLR-> FOH PA, 1/4" to amps).

Wow! How cool is that?

MM

 

[tumpinjahosafat]

wow you guys really love your b-2's here. Well i got a B-4 @4ohms and im loving it, im pumping 600 watts through with an eden-nemeses head. But i need more power and i was thinking about the carvin bx-1200 (http://www.carvin.com/products/single.php?ItemNumber=BX1200&CID=BA) what do you guys think, will it be enough power. because right now i feel like this speakers should be singing alot more than they are now.

btw. that head is 1200 watts bridged mono

 

[jokerjkny]

wow you guys really love your b-2's here. Well i got a B-4 @4ohms and im loving it, im pumping 600 watts through with an eden-nemeses head. But i need more power and i was thinking about the carvin bx-1200 (http://www.carvin.com/products/single.php?ItemNumber=BX1200&CID=BA) what do you guys think, will it be enough power. because right now i feel like this speakers should be singing alot more than they are now.

btw. that head is 1200 watts bridged mono

that amp has gotten a few rave reviews round here. do a search and you'll see.

 

[Johnny Crab]

It's gotta be good because it has the same green multi-input-type speaker connectors Andy uses on the new ACME's.

1200 should be just what the doctor ordered.
The only thing that amp doesn't have is a 30~50 Hz filter which does help prevent speaker damage without loss of too much ummmphh.

 

[tumpinjahosafat]

FINALLY got to test this in a decent-sized place with FOH support. The rack solves the wonderful Line 6 issue of getting a DI to the house. The dry went to a sansamp RBI and then to one channel of a dbx 166 and the as a "dry" signal to the PA. The "modeled" signal went to the other channel of the dbx 166 and then split(XLR-> FOH PA, 1/4" to amps).

The opener's bass is in the pic.
The Greco sisters, RVL and Blackie, got used by Johnny Crab:

NOTE:
Soundman was great to work with at this venue(didn't complain or tell me I couldn't send the wet signal, etc.) and has his own studio(http://www.vmgproductions.com). He was also professional to the point of using an spl meter at the board.

that is a sick setup man, how do you like the qsc power amps, and what are you using for a pre-amp?

 

[JonathanD]

Not to be a douche, but at the beginning of the quote you made it says LINE6 into etc... etc... LINE6 Dry goes to the RBI sansamp and then through DBX... Model out goes trough DBX to QSC's
Jonathan

 

[basss]

NOTE:
Soundman was great to work with at this venue(didn't complain or tell me I couldn't send the wet signal, etc.)

With that rig he probably didn't put you through the FOH anyways

 

[Johnny Crab]

Clarifications:
The dbx is a two channel device.

One channel was being used to compress the output from the SansAmp(dry DI from Line 6). This acted as a "DRY DI" to FOH.

Second channel had the Line 6 MODEL output run into it to compress/protect/control the MODEL signal. The output of this 2nd channel of the dbx was split into 2 signals: one feeding two QSC 2402's. The other half of the split signal went to the FOH. This gave FOH the MODEL signal where a "normal" bass rig might have a miked cabinet signal.

Preamp = Line 6 Bass POD XT Live:

The reason for the SansAmp:
Line 6 dry DI sounds VERY plain and is not XLR. SansAmp improves it and give you XLR.

 

[jokerjkny]

FINALLY got to test this in a decent-sized place with FOH support. The rack solves the wonderful Line 6 issue of getting a DI to the house. The dry went to a sansamp RBI and then to one channel of a dbx 166 and then as a "dry" signal to the PA. The "modeled" signal went to the other channel of the dbx 166 and then split(XLR-> FOH PA, 1/4" to amps).

The opener's bass is in the pic.
The Greco sisters, RVL and Blackie, got used by Johnny Crab:

NOTE:
Soundman was great to work with at this venue(didn't complain or tell me I couldn't send the wet signal, etc.) and has his own studio(http://www.vmgproductions.com). He was also professional to the point of using an spl meter at the board.

you sir have been drinking another kind of koolaid...

can i have some?

 

[cheesybass]

Greetings Acme fans! I've just read through this thread, well most of it, and I am definitely impressed with the knowledge, loyalty, and gargantuan sizes of some of your rigs! I've had an 8-ohm Low B4 for nearly 10 years, and a 4-ohm Low B2 for over 5 years. The B4 is powered by a QSC PLX2402 and Ampeg SVP-Pro and the B2 is powered by an Eden WT-550. I have a question for anyone owning the B2 and B1. Have you tried a small tower comprised of the two cabinets? I'm thinking of my 4-ohm B2 and an 8-ohm B1. The Eden head will drive a 2-ohm load and the combination I'm pondering would create a 2.67-ohm load. Someone of the Eden website calculated that, at 2.67-ohms, the WT-550 would be able to deliver 560 watts. Assuming some sort of linear functionality with regards to the 4 vs. 8 ohm cabinet, I assume that the 4-ohm B2 would get about 372 watts and the 8-ohm B1 would get 186 watts. Close to spec on the cabinets, for sure. Anyway, I'm just sort of curious. TIA and jam on...

 

[Johnny Crab]

The B4 is powered by a QSC PLX2402 and Ampeg SVP-Pro and the B2 is powered by an Eden WT-550. I have a question for anyone owning the B2 and B1. Have you tried a small tower comprised of the two cabinets? I'm thinking of my 4-ohm B2 and an 8-ohm B1. The Eden head will drive a 2-ohm load and the combination I'm pondering would create a 2.67-ohm load. Someone of the Eden website calculated that, at 2.67-ohms, the WT-550 would be able to deliver 560 watts. Assuming some sort of linear functionality with regards to the 4 vs. 8 ohm cabinet, I assume that the 4-ohm B2 would get about 372 watts and the 8-ohm B1 would get 186 watts. Close to spec on the cabinets, for sure. Anyway, I'm just sort of curious. TIA and jam on...

I've run two B2's stacked and it works.
From your cabinet ohms and amp(same one here, 2402), why not run one cab per side on your amp?
The 4-ohm B2's here get half of a 2402. Just use the 30 Hz filter and a touch of comp/limit(if you have that). Feed either the Ampeg or the Eden pre into the 2402.
And as Andy told me, "It should sound great but be careful."

Your previous suggestion of using just the Eden may work but IMO you're underpowering the cabinets. Never had good experiences pushing two different impedance cabinets on one feeder.
Try it, you may like it. If it sounds "wierd" or runs out of juice then pull out the QSC.

 

[BassmanPaul]

Here is a picture of moi and my Series II B2's in action. Rack holds a Carvin AC120 power line filter, a BBE B-Max-T pre-amp, a Korg DTR1000 tuner and a Carvin DCM1000 with one 4 ohm B2 per channel. I'll post a picture of my other rig with it's pair of original B2's a little later. BTW The bass is a Carvin LB76WP.

Paul

 

[cheesybass]

Thanks for the reply JC! To tell the truth, I sort of had a "DOH!" moment at your thought on using the 2402 to drive the two cabinets. It certainly makes sense, but I am motivated by the guys on the Eden site that drive three 8-ohm cabs with their WT-550's. So, I'm wondering out loud about a 4-ohm and 8-ohm pairing. The reason for considering the WT-550 is that it's light, and I really like the sound. The rack with my 2402, SVP-Pro, Furman PL-8 probably weighs as much as my B2! I don't own a B1 at this time. If the situation arises where I need more oomph than my WT-550 and B2 can deliver, I can preamp out from the WT-550 to the 2402 and use both cabs. Eh, whatever... I did email Andy to see what his thoughts might be. I suspect that you are right and that the WT-550 would be pushed to it's limit with a B2 and a B1. Thanks again!

 

[alexclaber]

If you get rid of the evil Furman then you could downsize to a 3U shallow rack (thanks to the PLX being very short) which would be pretty small and light.

Alex

 

[nodnarb]

I've got a question for all you Acme B-2 users. How much headroom do you need for these cabs? I could run a 4 ohm B-2 with 800 watts or a 8 ohm B-2 with 450 watts. I feel like I would either have to much headroom or to little. What do you think?
B-

 

[alexclaber]

800W is a nice amount for a B2.

Alex

 

[msquared]

You can always turn down from 800 watts and 4 ohm B2s usually go quickly in the classifieds. I don't see the point of getting an 8 ohm unless you're buying a set of them and you have an amp which doesn't do well at 2 ohms..

 

[InQuebAss]

This is my first post, and this thread is the reason i registered. This thread in itself is testament to how amazing the acme cabinets are. I just aquired a used b-4II and it is most definitly the best purchase I have made.

Sorry for not having a picture, but i'm running an Ashdown MK500 head into the low B-4II cabinet. I play in a prog rock/metal band and it sounds perfect. Just the head direct is perfect.

I crank the gain input knob, and get a really nice sounding distortion. While this would normally kill the low end, there is still an amazing amount of low end and punch. It cuts through everything and sounds amazing. I LOVE IT!

Sorry for rambling, but I cannot get over how amazing this cabinet sounds. As for the headroom issue, the previous owner was putting about 2100 watts into this cabinet, and I was lucky enough to test it with my head and his. More wattage sounded amazing, but i love the sound I get with my head.


Another point towards acme, little red(the ashdown mk-500) looks nice and sexy on top of it.

 

[KJung]

This is my first post, and this thread is the reason i registered. This thread in itself is testament to how amazing the acme cabinets are. I just aquired a used b-4II and it is most definitly the best purchase I have made.

Sorry for not having a picture, but i'm running an Ashdown MK500 head into the low B-4II cabinet. I play in a prog rock/metal band and it sounds perfect. Just the head direct is perfect.

I crank the gain input knob, and get a really nice sounding distortion. While this would normally kill the low end, there is still an amazing amount of low end and punch. It cuts through everything and sounds amazing. I LOVE IT!

Sorry for rambling, but I cannot get over how amazing this cabinet sounds. As for the headroom issue, the previous owner was putting about 2100 watts into this cabinet, and I was lucky enough to test it with my head and his. More wattage sounded amazing, but i love the sound I get with my head.


Another point towards acme, little red(the ashdown mk-500) looks nice and sexy on top of it.

This is an interesting post to me. Some of us find the low end extension of the Acme's, combined with the very 'organic' and polite upper mids and treble to not really work, both from an efficiency (power needs) and tone perspective.

However, while it is a totally different tone goal than I have, so I'm no expert, from what I understand, a 'distorted' bass tone can sound very harsh through traditional horn type tweeters and can also suck the life out of the low end of a bass tone.

With a moderate amount of power, as posted above, the Acme might just 'fill in the hole' created by overdrive in the deep low end, while the organic top end might actually somewhat mimic a more vintage sealed 10 cab sort of thing.

Just musing here, so I could be very wrong.

Pretty cool! Enjoy the rig!

 

[TonyP-]

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A guitarist worse nightmare.

I'm very happy with my one B-2.

For giggles I compared to the Markbass 2x10 (not sure of the model)

No comparison at all in the lowend.

You used have to be used to the lack of coloration that you recieve with the Acme.

For Markbass users I turn up the Mid Atten almost all the way up on the Acme and the VPF to about 11 on the MKII.

(Normally I keep the VPF off or just about)