Adler sets new record!

[john turner]

Why are people agitated by these comments? Do they really mean anything to you? Just curious.

well, they are prejudicial, especially placing the word instrument in quotes as if this somehow doesn't qualify.

from my own experience, it used to piss me off when folks would see my instruments at the namm show and make some snide comments about them or about the player who owned them and the assumed physical limitations he must suffer from (this was back before there even was a talkbass, so i didn't have all you guys to cry to ). eventually i realized that the vitriol of these comments was distilled from these individuals' own sense of insecurity and inadequacy. since then i've been able to generally approach these kinds of comments with a bit more compassion when directed at me, or at least tolerance. usually. well, at least sometimes.


ok, actually, i just know exactly how to push their buttons back now. there, i said it

 

[clef360]

I'm just hoping to make a point clear. It was said earlier that there's a point(different for everyone) at which there are just enough strings, and more would just be ridiculous. The answer to that was that "there can never be enough strings" or something like that. Say I had a 20,000 string bass. Yeah, twenty thousand. To tune it, I just bust out my little chromatic tuner and tune each string one hert (Hz?) above the one below it. It effectively covers the entire range of human hearing...and then some. At 1cm string spacing, the fretboard is about 200m wide, so this is mostly and outdoor gig type bass. Anyways, I think you guys get the point. If anyone thinks that this bass isn't even a bit ridiculous, then i worry for you. Have a good one.

edit: forgot to add. I really like how that bass looks, but I'm sure that my hands are too small to handle anything like that. If not that, then my brain is too small. I'm sure it sounds wonderful.

 

[Stewmc5222]

... forgot to add. I really like how that bass looks, but I'm sure that my hands are too small to handle anything like that. If not that, then my brain is too small. I'm sure it sounds wonderful.

well, I've got small hands and a dangerously small brain, but I wrapped both around that bad boy and had a blast!

and yes, it sounds great!

from the lows,


Stew

 

[Adam Barkley]

Hit it!

Why can't we be friends, why can't we be friends?

(I mean no disrespect with these questions)

That thing is intense. I respect anybody willing to step that far out of the norm for an incredible instrument.

What is the main purpose or reason for an 11 string over a 8 or 9 or 10 or 15? Is it used in a band setting or for solo bass only? What is the tuning? Where do you puchase strings? Is the owner planning for a bass with more strings? Can Eruption be played in it's original octave with that thing?

(last question was a joke, couldn't resist)

 

[pilotjones]

Why are people agitated by these comments? Do they really mean anything to you? Just curious.

...

Not speaking for anyone else, because I opened a thread about something that interests me, with a reasonable expectation of useful or interesting information, and instead, like too too many times in the past found only inanity.

 

[Brad Johnson]

well, they are prejudicial, especially placing the word instrument in quotes as if this somehow doesn't qualify.

You've looked a lot deeper into it than I would. No offense to anyone but when I see or hear people saying stuff like this, I just consider the source

from my own experience, it used to piss me off when folks would see my instruments at the namm show and make some snide comments about them or about the player who owned them and the assumed physical limitations he must suffer from (this was back before there even was a talkbass, so i didn't have all you guys to cry to ). eventually i realized that the vitriol of these comments was distilled from these individuals' own sense of insecurity and inadequacy. since then i've been able to generally approach these kinds of comments with a bit more compassion when directed at me, or at least tolerance. usually. well, at least sometimes.

OTOH I've had fun with the same type of stuff. When I first got my reeeally green Zon fretless a guy came up to me and told me it was ugly. I said thanks. He stood there with a blank look on his face.

When someone is trying to get your goat and you know they're trying to get your goat and you hand them your goat...

Insecurity, jealousy, suicidal tendencies... who cares why people do what they do? I think my attitude is actually pretty healthy towards this stuff...


"I" like what "I" like and the rest of the world can kiss my...

ok, actually, i just know exactly how to push their buttons back now. there, i said it

Of course you do, it's just a matter of dumbing down to that level. We both know it doesn't take a higher intellect to know when one is being rude, insensitive or insulting.

 

[Brad Johnson]

Not speaking for anyone else, because I opened a thread about something that interests me, with a reasonable expectation of useful or interesting information, and instead, like too too many times in the past found only inanity.

"only inanity"?

That's not true of this thread... the only way to see only that would be to focus on it

I play six string basses sometimes and some people think that's too many strings. BFD.

Ever seen my Bone Avatar 6? I get "interesting" comments about it all the time. BFD.

My Fender FMT has lots of gold hardware. Some people can't wait to tell me how much they dislike gold. And? BFD

On the flip side I get people asking me my opinion of their gear. I'll usually say it's nice (sometimes true, sometimes just being polite), then they'll push and want to know if "I" would like to have the same gear. In most cases the answer is no. Then they want to know why. At this point I'll give them a straight answer about what it is that I don't care for. Then they get offended.

That's when I start in on their momma.

Seriously, bottom line, if someone can really tweak you about your gear choices, there's probably a bit of doubt in your own mind. Otherwise, if you're happy, who gives a rat's *** what anyone else thinks? If you're like me, you already know that you're much smarter than everyone else and have far better tastes, too.

Also much better looking, more fun at parties, more popular, kinder to animals, yadda yadda yadda.

 

[SuperDuck]

nice. great reason to resurrect a 4 month old thread - never too old to take the chance to insult someone, right.

...and so's your mother.

I remember a time, long ago, when I first started posting there and I was anti-anything-with-more-than-four-strings. I think I had words with you at some point or another about that.

It was probably like three or four years ago. Now I own a six string. Go figure.

 

[Stewmc5222]

What is the main purpose or reason for an 11 string over a 8 or 9 or 10 or 15? Is it used in a band setting or for solo bass only? What is the tuning? Where do you puchase strings? Is the owner planning for a bass with more strings? Can Eruption be played in it's original octave with that thing?

(last question was a joke, couldn't resist)

well, I suppose the reason for an 11 is the same as that of a 5 or a 6: more range and options for the cat who plays it. in this case the cat who owns it plays solo, in duets, and in groups.

it is tuned in fourths, thus:

C#-F#-B-E-A-D-G-C-F-Bb-Eb

SIT makes the strings for it.

I think Garry actually does want a 12!

you can play "Eruption" in several octaves!

from the lows,


Stew

 

[pilotjones]

"only inanity"?

That's not true of this thread... the only way to see only that would be to focus on it

...

"Inanity" referred to the new post, not to the rest of the thread. Hope no one else misunderstood.

When I saw my notification of a new post to a subscribed thread, and recognized the thread name, and saw that the "last post" was not by one of the usual useless-comment-makers, I thought that I might open the thread to see a post on someone's experience living with the instrument for a few months. Instead, it was one of those comments re-opening the thread.

Generally (it's got to be at least a dozen times a week - what does that make - 600 times a year?), I just ignore those comments. People are who they are. In fact, this is I believe the only time, or at most one of very few times, that I've ever complained about an online comment.

I guess I wasn't in a very forgiving mood at the time. But my complaining doesn't do anyone any good either.

And now back to some valid content...

 

[sheepdog]

I personally do not see a need for 11 strings for any music I would play (unless it is a Chapman stick), but if someone can physically play it and they use all 11 strings...power to them. They are certainly more talented than I am. My hands couldn't even handle my 6 string that I just sold.

 

[mark beem]

I personally do not see a need for 11 strings for any music I would play (unless it is a Chapman stick), but if someone can physically play it and they use all 11 strings...power to them. They are certainly more talented than I am. My hands couldn't even handle my 6 string that I just sold.

I don't think it has as much to do with "talent" as it does with "approach" and "understanding".

These basses are played THE EXACT SAME WAY as any other bass.. pluck / pick / strum / tap / slap / etc. etc.. No more "talent" is required than on a 4 or 5 string. The key is understanding the instrument's capabilities and working it, based on your approach to music, into your environment.

 

[Stewmc5222]

well said, Beemer!



from the lows,


Stew

 

[sheepdog]

I don't think it has as much to do with "talent" as it does with "approach" and "understanding".

These basses are played THE EXACT SAME WAY as any other bass.. pluck / pick / strum / tap / slap / etc. etc.. No more "talent" is required than on a 4 or 5 string. The key is understanding the instrument's capabilities and working it, based on your approach to music, into your environment.

the "talent" comes in as far as knowing how to hold a monster like that without bending your wrist too much and injuring your hand. I had too many wrist issues with the 6er, but I think part of it might be lack of experience playing that sized instrument.

 

[Adam Barkley]

well, I suppose the reason for an 11 is the same as that of a 5 or a 6: more range and options for the cat who plays it. in this case the cat who owns it plays solo, in duets, and in groups.

it is tuned in fourths, thus:

C#-F#-B-E-A-D-G-C-F-Bb-Eb

SIT makes the strings for it.

I think Garry actually does want a 12!

you can play "Eruption" in several octaves!

from the lows,


Stew

Thanks for the heads up, I wouldn't mind seeing somebody trying to tackle that instrument's capabilities, but I don't think I could wrap my head (or my hands ) around it.

As far as a 12 Dios Mio . What ever you enjoy I guess.

Stew, still grooving to your bands songs. Do you got anything scheduled for Jackson, Ms yet? Hal and Mal's or the 9:30 would be good.

 

[sheepdog]

still trying to figure out how they get that much range using the same scale on all strings. Seems like you would need a Dingwall type instrument to compensate.

 

[Stewmc5222]

hey abark000,

dates for the summer shows are still being nailed down. I'm hoping we're going to play all over the States! certainly places closer to New Orleans are the most likely to host the Brotherhood of Groove!

hey sheepdog,

I was surprised that the high strings weren't under freakishly high tension, but it was a totally playable instrument! I could even slap and pop on the Bb and Eb strings!



from the lows,


Stew

 

[sheepdog]

hey abark000,

dates for the summer shows are still being nailed down. I'm hoping we're going to play all over the States! certainly places closer to New Orleans are the most likely to host the Brotherhood of Groove!

hey sheepdog,

I was surprised that the high strings weren't under freakishly high tension, but it was a totally playable instrument! I could even slap and pop on the Bb and Eb strings!



from the lows,


Stew

wow, some serious design work must have gone into those strings!

 

[Stewmc5222]

well, they're SIT strings. I don't know if you've played them, but they rock! right now SIT leads the field for extended range strings, IMHO.

from the lows,


Stew

 

[Balor]

how do you get does strings...? Juststrings only as the standard stuff .125 to about .025. Hardly enough for a 7 string...

PL