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Aguilar 410 Conundrum

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rmayer said:
The funny thing is the DB751
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sprag said:
I looked at doing this myself after playing through a db410 that blew me away, but the 210 is not the same half a 410 according to aggie website dimensions and what I've read here in tonal comparisond. If they were I'd be rocking a pair of white hot db210's
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That's true the 210s sound better :) They're taller and shallower which makes them stack better when vertical than they would otherwise, and makes them easier to carry. I never did an A/B so sort of kidding about the sounds better part, from memory they might be slightly more open and less middy. But I can tell you 100% the 2xdb210 is the best rig I've ever had. Just sticking to the aguilar list I've gigged GS412, GS112s, DB212, DB410, and DB810. They are especially crazy good with a DB359, but sound killer with a DB751 too.
 
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I have a pair of DB112s which I love. My lightweight "rehearsal" cab is a Schroeder Mini 12 and I am able to dial in "my sound" with it very well. If you don't like the sound of the SL line of cabs and you need a lightweight cab, I would take a look at the Schroeder 410. It comes in a little cheaper than the SL410, has a higher RMS power rating, greater frequency range and greater sensitivity at the cost of 2lbs. I am a HUGE Aguilar fan, but in your situation, I think this is probably a much better cabinet.
 
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AcridSaint said:
I have a pair of DB112s which I love. My lightweight "rehearsal" cab is a Schroeder Mini 12 and I am able to dial in "my sound" with it very well. If you don't like the sound of the SL line of cabs and you need a lightweight cab, I would take a look at the Schroeder 410. It comes in a little cheaper than the SL410, has a higher RMS power rating, greater frequency range and greater sensitivity at the cost of 2lbs. I am a HUGE Aguilar fan, but in your situation, I think this is probably a much better cabinet.
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Slightly wary of brands with no real distribution in Australia which includes Schroeder although just located an Epifani 2 UL-310 which might be interesting. Sydney a city of 5 million people has no specialist bass store these days so always a challenge finding and hearing gear. Tend to agree on the SL410x.
 
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Lepparda said:
Slightly wary of brands with no real distribution in Australia which includes Schroeder although just located an Epifani 2 UL-310 which might be interesting. Sydney a city of 5 million people has no specialist bass store these days so always a challenge finding and hearing gear. Tend to agree on the SL410x.
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Schroeder doesn't have "wide" distribution anywhere, so I think it's something that they have a distributor there :) These are top-notch guys, on the same level as Aguilar, so I can say buy with confidence, but I understand the hesitance.
 
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I moved from Aguilar DB112’s a few years ago to a Berg CN212. Tonally it did everything I wanted, and weighed a hell of a lot less. Pretty sure the importer is Bergantino is in Melbourne but worth getting in touch with to see what he has in stock or if there’s a way to try them out.

The Fender NEO 410 is also a great cab, and you shouldn’t have too hard a time finding one in Sydney.
 
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Altitude said:
Good post. I think a lot of cabs that are neo-driven also are built to emphasize the low midrange and slightly deemphasize the low bass in the name of efficiency:weight. The neo drivers get used because they are lighter and the market says it will pay the premium. So it’s not the drivers being selected because of how they sound as much as it is that they fit the design approach for the product.

If a builder is targeting a low price point, or if he is designing a product for old-school appeal (and tolerance for weight), he may go ceramic. Again, not a function of any clearly defined character from ceramic vs neo drivers.

Weight for the Aggie 410 sounds about right, I have a couple ceramic Eden D210XST cabs that are about 60 pounds each.
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I'd have to disagree. I'd like to think that all companies design their drivers for a specific use. After all these years I can confidently say, they are not. Each company has it's own philosophy. Some are focused on Pro Audio drivers; linear, high power handling, sensitivity sometimes a lesser priority, some automobile drivers; high power, huge X-max, detail not so important, some musical instrument drivers which (and only my opinion) require a very different voicing. I use a variety of drivers from different manufacturers for different applications. AlNico, Ferrite/ceramic, neo are just part of the motor. Neo's are not inherently mid forward, neither do all Ferrite/ceramic structures always round and warm. The voice coil, surround, cone materials and design goals of the engineer are what gives the driver it's voice. Put an "old school" JBL E120 or K120 beside a Celestion neo or more dramatically, a B&C 12NDL88 12" neo and tell me the neo isn't warmer and fatter. Enjoy the weight saving and trust your ears. I expect some will disagree and want to attribute a particular tone to a type of magnet. Some describe AlNico drivers a warmer. If you've ever stood in front of a Vox AC30 you know that's just not so. And then there's the cabinet, the amp, the instrument and most importantly; the player.
 
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Down_Low said:
I moved from Aguilar DB112’s a few years ago to a Berg CN212. Tonally it did everything I wanted, and weighed a hell of a lot less. Pretty sure the importer is Bergantino is in Melbourne but worth getting in touch with to see what he has in stock or if there’s a way to try them out.

The Fender NEO 410 is also a great cab, and you shouldn’t have too hard a time finding one in Sydney.
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Yes, already a Berg convert, but went down the HD rather than HDN (CN) route, heavier but prefer the tone. Fender NEO410 has been on my 'must try' for a while - only 500w thought, so need more for the DB751.
 
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And took the plunge on an SL410x. Tried a Fender Neo 410 which was nice but 8 kilos heavier, 8 ohm and only 500w rated.
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mmbass21 said:
Since I own the SL410x, use it constantly and gig with it I can say it's worth it because of the portability. Is it a DB410, no. After auditioning both in the store, I can say I understand why to get a DB410, however I refuse to lug anything that I can't carry to my car. The SL410x is a very efficient cab which also has some surprising oompf for its size. The horn is a bit loud but it's easy to dial that back.
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Having just bought an SL410x I agree with all these remarks and still use my DB410 for bigger rooms, but there is no doubt that the SL410x will get more gigs.
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@Lepparda I was reassured on the SL410x on my last gig. I decided to use my 410 neo with a bassman 500 head I recently picked up. It just didn't have enough for me. I don't know if it was lack of power from the head or the cab. This is the second time I've been underwhelmed live with the 410 neo, once with the 100t head and now with the bassman 500. In the studio, it just sings.

That gig reaffirmed that the sl410x is just a great all around live cab. I've never been disappointed with it. Now I haven't used my berg setup live yet so I'll have a comparison to to that soon.
 
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mmbass21 said:
@Lepparda I was reassured on the SL410x on my last gig. I decided to use my 410 neo with a bassman 500 head I recently picked up. It just didn't have enough for me. I don't know if it was lack of power from the head or the cab. This is the second time I've been underwhelmed live with the 410 neo, once with the 100t head and now with the bassman 500. In the studio, it just sings.

That gig reaffirmed that the sl410x is just a great all around live cab. I've never been disappointed with it. Now I haven't used my berg setup live yet so I'll have a comparison to to that soon.
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The DB751 with a pair of Berg HD210s really slays and the B-Amp with an HD210/112 is killer for most gigs too.
 
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Aguilar SL410x (4 ohms) outside solo:
I saw this thread and wanted to share a video of me playing solo in my backyard this weekend. (5 beers, so don't mind the minor flubs.)
I had the bass cut a little on the head, and perhaps a little too much drive from the Tech21 YYZ pedal, but the Aguilar SL410x projection and clarity was outstanding for both the high and low notes.
Hope this helps your cabinet decisions. The SL410x is barely 49 lbs. and sounds like this into an iPhone recording. Easy choice for me.
 
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