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Aguilar 410 Conundrum

#44
Lepparda said:
I love my DB410 but at 46Kgs it doesn't leave the house a lot. Would I be losing a lot with an SL410x ? I had a pair of SL112s which I found very underwhelming thus the hesitancy
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Since I own the SL410x, use it constantly and gig with it I can say it's worth it because of the portability. Is it a DB410, no. After auditioning both in the store, I can say I understand why to get a DB410, however I refuse to lug anything that I can't carry to my car. The SL410x is a very efficient cab which also has some surprising oompf for its size. The horn is a bit loud but it's easy to dial that back. I understand why players want these 8x10 cabs, but it'll never be for me, there's FOH support if I need anything that big. I've received nothing but compliments since I got my Aggie SL410x and couldn't be happier with my selection.
 
#45
The GS 410 cab i owned was heavy but still easy to move, loved the sound of it. Two lighter cabs might be easier to move other than making more trips, just not enough power in the lows for my B string.
 
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Coolhandjjl said:
A 100lb 410? How the heck do you lift that into a vehicle? The 'Fridge at least tilts back and you can slide it in. You never have to actually lift all of it.
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I owned one, and fit it into the back of my Civic without a problem...but I am a 6'2", 200 pound fellow, and used to fit an Aguilar GS412 or S810 into the back of the same car ;)

I ended up selling the DB for tonal reasons, not weight, but I must say I dramatically prefer the more modern 2 and 3 way designs from companies like Barefaced and Fearless that put out just as much volume, at half the weight, with better dispersion.
 
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#47
Al Kraft said:
...and there is no question that different cabs even with the identical drivers can sound different because of many other design aspects. I suspect that in smaller, lightweight cabs the nature of some of the design choices to optimize in those areas concomitantly eats into the trade space for voicing. I do recall some earlier light weight cans I heard that also utilized Neo drivers did not have the fullness or heft to the notes of previous cabs from the same manufacturer.
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Good post. I think a lot of cabs that are neo-driven also are built to emphasize the low midrange and slightly deemphasize the low bass in the name of efficiency:weight. The neo drivers get used because they are lighter and the market says it will pay the premium. So it’s not the drivers being selected because of how they sound as much as it is that they fit the design approach for the product.

If a builder is targeting a low price point, or if he is designing a product for old-school appeal (and tolerance for weight), he may go ceramic. Again, not a function of any clearly defined character from ceramic vs neo drivers.

Weight for the Aggie 410 sounds about right, I have a couple ceramic Eden D210XST cabs that are about 60 pounds each.
 
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MDBass said:
I owned one, and fit it into the back of my Civic without a problem...but I am a 6'2", 200 pound fellow, and used to fit an Aguilar GS412 or S810 into the back of the same car ;)

I ended up selling the DB for tonal reasons, not weight, but I must say I dramatically prefer the more modern 2 and 3 way designs from companies like Barefaced and Fearless that put out just as much volume, at half the weight, with better dispersion.
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I used to fit my 610 ampeg across the backseat of my ford fiesta (sedan), but I am also a larger fellow...
 
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Altitude said:
Good post. I think a lot of cabs that are neo-driven also are built to emphasize the low midrange and slightly deemphasize the low bass in the name of efficiency:weight. The neo drivers get used because they are lighter and the market says it will pay the premium. So it’s not the drivers being selected because of how they sound as much as it is that they fit the design approach for the product.

If a builder is targeting a low price point, or if he is designing a product for old-school appeal (and tolerance for weight), he may go ceramic. Again, not a function of any clearly defined character from ceramic vs neo drivers.

Weight for the Aggie 410 sounds about right, I have a couple ceramic Eden D210XST cabs that are about 60 pounds each.
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I’m confused
 
#53
This is exactly why I’m in love with my Berg NV610. Tilts and rolls easily. Easy to tilt into the back of my hatchback and slide in. Less than 100 lbs and the best tone from any cab I’ve ever played, bar none.

Actually pulled it out this weekend and hooked it up to my SVT.... damn. :bassist:
 
#55
kpc said:
Depends on the sound you like. Go to the music store and try one out.
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That is easier said than done. I live in a large city and none of the GC's, mom and pops (what few there still are), or the only Sam Ash carry enough different cabinets for this to be possible. I just did a search out of curiosity and this cab is not in a music store in Arizona. Dude might have a tough time trying one out since music stores barely stock any bass gear (and most of it is low end garbage).
 
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rmayer said:
I was a long time Aggie cab user, AG 112s, 212s, 210s and even the back busting DB410. It was a great cab but HEAVY. I agree that if anyone today is doing a great job with lighter weight cabs, besides the Epi, it’s Jim Bergantino. I just haven’t switched over my two HD112s yet. 44lbs down to 25lbs or so doesn’t justify the switch for me. Love the sound.
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I tried out a pair of HD112s against an HDN212 and although at lower volumes they were similar (HDN a lilttle more clicky/clacky) once you pushed the volume a little more the HD's won out - more depth/power - just means two trips to the car rather than one but a small price to pay IMHO.
 
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