Ambient/Post-Rock/Textural bass playing thread

[Bob_Ross]

Captain Pedantic would like to point out that any sequencer that relies on a clock -- so pretty much all of them -- is quantizing events to some subdivision of clock time. It's just a question of whether those subdivisions are fine enough to have an impact on the perceived placement of events.

Or were you talking about pitch quantization?
(Anyone remember the original ARP sequencer, which offered a choice between quantized and non-quantized pitch levels per step?)

 

[ugly_bassplayer]

Captain Pedantic would like to point out that any sequencer that relies on a clock -- so pretty much all of them -- is quantizing events to some subdivision of clock time. It's just a question of whether those subdivisions are fine enough to have an impact on the perceived placement of events.

Or were you talking about pitch quantization?
(Anyone remember the original ARP sequencer, which offered a choice between quantized and non-quantized pitch levels per step?)

I don’t think the Sp is locked in to a clock grid.
I may be wrong on this one but Cpt Pedantic is here to inform me of my misconceptions.
MPC i have to believe that it does since it’s grid based, again I could be wrong

all this is based on absolutely zero research and zero science

 

[Bob_Ross]

I don’t think the Sp is locked in to a clock grid.

I don't know what an "Sp" is but if it's an event sequencer -- essentially a recorder of actions that will trigger those same actions upon playback -- then it definitely has some sort of clock going on...that's how sequencers determine when one event happens, and when the next event happens (i.e., how closely does event #2 follow event #1).

Even if you tell yourself "I'm not going to quantize these events to a grid!" they've already been quantized to a grid when you recorded them; it's just that it's a grid with a much finer resolution than, say, quarter notes at 96bpm. There's no such thing as a clock-based digital recorder with infinite resolution, so some of your events will by definition get recorded several thousandths of a second earlier or later than you played it.

 

[ugly_bassplayer]

I don't know what an "Sp" is but if it's an event sequencer -- essentially a recorder of actions that will trigger those same actions upon playback -- then it definitely has some sort of clock going on...that's how sequencers determine when one event happens, and when the next event happens (i.e., how closely does event #2 follow event #1).

Even if you tell yourself "I'm not going to quantize these events to a grid!" they've already been quantized to a grid when you recorded them; it's just that it's a grid with a much finer resolution than, say, quarter notes at 96bpm. There's no such thing as a clock-based digital recorder with infinite resolution, so some of your events will by definition get recorded several thousandths of a second earlier or later than you played it.

Makes sense, it’s all 10101010101 anyways.
Sp303 404 etc are classic samplers made by boss/Roland

that’s why we need captain pedantic on this thread, keep us all in line.

 

[dukeorock]

Been waiting for this to drop.
https://polyend.com/play/
$799 USD
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Lots of folks screaming their disappointment of this machine over on Elektronauts, due to a few key reasons, but as a performance sequencer that also plays back samples, it looks super interesting to me.

Can you disable quantize on any given sequence??

I seem to remember that you can absolutely disable quantize, pedantic arguments aside

@monsterthompson FTW

it’s clearly not a tool with the intent of have non quantized sequencing but for me it’s a crucial spec in a sampler

It doesn’t strike me as your cup of tea. Octatrack, on the other hand seems tailor made for you, IMO

 

[ugly_bassplayer]

26440774[/URL], member: 188059"]Lots of folks screaming their disappointment of this machine over on Elektronauts, due to a few key reasons, but as a performance sequencer that also plays back samples, it looks super interesting to me.



I seem to remember that you can absolutely disable quantize, pedantic arguments aside


It doesn’t strike me as your cup of tea. Octatrack, on the other hand seems tailor made for you, IMO

No live stereo sampling is the deal breaker on the Digitakt

Octa is wayyyyyy too expensive atm due to inflation and CAD in the dump.

i’m not in a « gear purchasing » mood anyways, ill make due with I have.

you’re right about the polyend, not my thing. But they definitely have very cool features.

 

[dukeorock]

No live stereo sampling is the deal breaker on the Digitakt

Octa is wayyyyyy too expensive atm due to inflation and CAD in the dump.

you’re right about the polyend, not my thing. But they definitely have very cool features.

Digitakt is rad for what it is, but I hear you on the stereo thing. Inflation is hurting for sure. Still, whenever I hear your music I think, “we need to get that dude and Octatrack.” You would tear that up once you got past the (considerable) learning curve

 

[ugly_bassplayer]

Digitakt is rad for what it is, but I hear you on the stereo thing. Inflation is hurting for sure. Still, whenever I hear your music I think, “we need to get that dude and Octatrack.” You would tear that up once you got past the (considerable) learning curve

its been on my list since you hyped that thing a while back.
I almost sold one of my instruments to get one last year.

And still may do that…..(mad scientist laugh)

now I have to go watch some octatrack vids. enabler.

 

[monsterthompson]

How about a $1,999 OP-1 update?
teenage engineering
Stereo sampling I guess.

 

[ugly_bassplayer]

How about a $1,999 OP-1 update?
teenage engineering
Stereo sampling I guess.

 

[monsterthompson]

$500 multi fx module partnership with the king of high fives.
GHOST — ENDORPHIN.ES - music instruments manufacturer

 

[monsterthompson]

Still got a bug in my brain about baritone guitars. This one has my interest. Particularly with the sustainer neck pickup.
TON theme bonus points.
https://www.schecterguitars.com/Kenny-Hickey-C-1-EX-S

 

[saltymonkey]

Still got a bug in my brain about baritone guitars.

Check this one out. It's in a shop in your neck of the woods too. Has a longer scale than the one you're looking at and a hi-lo pass filter. I'll bet it sounds pretty great.

Harry's Engineering Dragonfly Guitar B6 Baritone | Reverb

 

[monsterthompson]

Check this one out. It's in a shop in your neck of the woods too. Has a longer scale than the one you're looking at and a hi-lo pass filter. I'll bet it sounds pretty great.

Harry's Engineering Dragonfly Guitar B6 Baritone | Reverb

I have no knowledge of that brand at all. That price is a bit steep, so I’m hoping they have a good reputation that I’m simply unaware of.

 

[steubig]

I have no knowledge of that brand at all. That price is a bit steep, so I’m hoping they have a good reputation that I’m simply unaware of.

the store is reputable, i think.

i went in there once and the guy ran it then seemed picky about quality, outspoken and eccentric.

 

[lordradish]

Hey, @ugly_bassplayer :
No-Input Mixing

 

[ugly_bassplayer]

Hey, @ugly_bassplayer :
No-Input Mixing

Nakamura is definitely one of the most well known users of this technique.
might come as a shock to you that he has a particular aversion towards loud and abrasif sounds.
his no input mixer stuff is truly something to behold, how he controls something so by definition random and unpredictable is quite the accomplishment. He uses alot of rackmounted FX units as well such as reverb and euh…..stuff.

I haven’t done some No input mixer stuff in quite a while, as mentioned earlier when my « normal » bass work/gigs/rehearsals/recording sessions slow down I definitely need to go back to my basement and be a psycho mad scientist that hates contact with all humans.


thanks @lordradish for thinking of me.

 

[hieronymous]

Check this one out. It's in a shop in your neck of the woods too. Has a longer scale than the one you're looking at and a hi-lo pass filter. I'll bet it sounds pretty great.

Harry's Engineering Dragonfly Guitar B6 Baritone | Reverb

I have no knowledge of that brand at all. That price is a bit steep, so I’m hoping they have a good reputation that I’m simply unaware of.

I am only aware of them because of "Bass Japan Direct" - they have a page about the brand (with difficult to read type unfortunately) - says that "Harry" worked for Aria Pro II back in the day.

I follow this guy (Bass Japan Direct) on Instagram partly to see what some of the boutique Japanese bass brands are producing (like Bacchus, Atelier Z, Moon - stuff I used to drool over when I'd go to guitar stores or in Japanese guitar mags), also to see the "vintage" stuff like Greco, Fernandes, etc., that he finds - sometimes he mods them and sells them as "Funky Junk" - and sometimes I see stuff that I used to own or wish I owned back in the '80s. Oh, I also became aware of some of the short scale stuff going on, like the current Fender Japan short scale Jazz Basses or the Atelier Z Baby Z.

 

[saltymonkey]

I have no knowledge of that brand at all. That price is a bit steep, so I’m hoping they have a good reputation that I’m simply unaware of.

Harry's/Dragonfly is a Japanese brand. I've never played one but both his basses and guitars have stellar reputations. I've seen a few of his basses sell here on TB over the years. At a nearly 31" scale that thing probably has a killer angry piano vibe going on. I came across it a couple of days ago. (I have a thing for baritones too.) I saw your post last night and realized it was close to you.

 

[lucas303]

Still got a bug in my brain about baritone guitars. This one has my interest. Particularly with the sustainer neck pickup.
TON theme bonus points.
Kenny Hickey C-1 EX S

I know basically nothing about guitars but have you checked out the Solar baritone? The clean tone in particular got my attention: