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Ambient/Post-Rock/Textural bass playing thread

Oooof. Looking for some words of wisdom from the group.

Last night's solo electronic gig did not go as planned. My 3U skiff fell out of my trunk when I opened it at the gig site and the lid broke (but saved the modules, so good job Pittsburgh modular). I checked everything before the show and it seemed to work. I was tempted to open up the case and unplug and replug everything but that would have destroyed the patch, which I would not have had time to test.

There's a button combo to clear the DLD buffer, which I was depending on for transitions among different parts of the set, but somehow it wasn't behaving.

AND I also realized I failed to anticipate something I should know from decades of playing in rock bands: it sounds really different in the venue. I practiced all week for it to be an improv set, brought a menu of things to do, and then tried to do them. I quickly realized the ringing feedback stuff I do that works in headphones or at low volume at home was not going to work with a speaker right behind me. Not without a compressor, which I didn't bring and couldn't quite patch up with the setup I had. Some of my tricks worked, and there were parts that were nice, and I followed the rule of not playing for more than 20 minutes, and changing what I was doing every few minutes, and the sets after me were noisier and weirder, and people said nice things afterwards. I even got invited to a nascent local synth group.

But *I* didn't feel good about the show. Normally I perform, things go as they go, but I'm part of an ensemble, and I feel fine afterwards. This was the most nervous I'd been before a show in many, many years. Took 2-3 hours after getting home for the adrenaline to leave my system.

I know @steubig does high risk improv gigs from time to time. Maybe others of you have similar stories to share. Any advice on recovering from one that doesn't go your way? I've got a rock gig later this week to cleanse the palate, but I am looking at my synths today with wary suspicion.
 
...and people said nice things afterwards. I even got invited to a nascent local synth group.

But *I* didn't feel good about the show. Normally I perform, things go as they go, but I'm part of an ensemble, and I feel fine afterwards. This was the most nervous I'd been before a show in many, many years. Took 2-3 hours after getting home for the adrenaline to leave my system.

I am well-acquainted with that scenario. Especially the part about things at the venue not sounding the way I practiced them at home, despite being careful to setup all the patching the same.

Only advice I can give is to keep doing it. If people told you they liked your set, believe them and stop worrying, but at the same time, keep working on it. When I practice at home now I use the same PA system I bring to the gig to try and get the sound as close as possible, but of course it will always be a bit different.

It's difficult for this genre of music because we tend to rely less on melodic structure and more on sound designs and textures. That feedback thing you mentioned, for example. But I try to put some kind of recognizable melody in most of my stuff, even if it's just a repeating sequence. That at least gives me something musical to focus on while I struggle with the knobs, etc. And some of our stuff has been played enough times in public that people are starting to remember tunes, even though they are never played the same way twice.

Hang in there, you got compliments, take them!
 
Oooof. Looking for some words of wisdom from the group.

Last night's solo electronic gig did not go as planned. My 3U skiff fell out of my trunk when I opened it at the gig site and the lid broke (but saved the modules, so good job Pittsburgh modular). I checked everything before the show and it seemed to work. I was tempted to open up the case and unplug and replug everything but that would have destroyed the patch, which I would not have had time to test.

There's a button combo to clear the DLD buffer, which I was depending on for transitions among different parts of the set, but somehow it wasn't behaving.

AND I also realized I failed to anticipate something I should know from decades of playing in rock bands: it sounds really different in the venue. I practiced all week for it to be an improv set, brought a menu of things to do, and then tried to do them. I quickly realized the ringing feedback stuff I do that works in headphones or at low volume at home was not going to work with a speaker right behind me. Not without a compressor, which I didn't bring and couldn't quite patch up with the setup I had. Some of my tricks worked, and there were parts that were nice, and I followed the rule of not playing for more than 20 minutes, and changing what I was doing every few minutes, and the sets after me were noisier and weirder, and people said nice things afterwards. I even got invited to a nascent local synth group.

But *I* didn't feel good about the show. Normally I perform, things go as they go, but I'm part of an ensemble, and I feel fine afterwards. This was the most nervous I'd been before a show in many, many years. Took 2-3 hours after getting home for the adrenaline to leave my system.

I know @steubig does high risk improv gigs from time to time. Maybe others of you have similar stories to share. Any advice on recovering from one that doesn't go your way? I've got a rock gig later this week to cleanse the palate, but I am looking at my synths today with wary suspicion.

well this here is a big subject.

following is based on *decades* of doing improv gigs (some solo, some of 2–6 players). for a number of years, the only playing i've done has been improv.

first, you can't control if gear/logistics goes south on you. it's a drag: it *will* color the performance and make things feel worse. same with doing gigs with players and what/how they play. the audience can also color things. you make do and hope for the best.

second, i've done gigs/recordings where i *hated* what/how i played (sometimes the audience liked it, sometimes they said nothing) and came to a recording of it months later and realized it (i) did *not* suck. it's the nature of the beast. (also cross-reference with any possible gear/player/audience issues.)

third, the great thing about improv is that it goes out into the air and then it's done—unless it's recorded . . . and even then, a recording is only a snapshot of your journey/process (whatever you want to call it)—it's not the end-all, be-all. (note to self: remember this when you feel like $h!t after a gig.)

fourth, consider that you're creating something in real time, which implies the possibility of results being somewhere along a continuum of "success" and "failure." next, consider all the composers and artists who have thrown away what they thought were failures. and people grow into their art by doing it—it doesn't start out as genius, ya know?

fifth, your standards are most likely higher than the audience's. there's also the idea of your *expectations* and what you *want things to be* versus what they *are*. as older players, we have a certain amount of expertise, so doing something new that does not live up to our expectations/standards feels really bad (if we care!). it's good to have standards and be exacting in your desire to achieve them (do *not* phone it in.)



imo, improv is a skill that you have to work at—hard. even then it can be a crap-shoot, which is why it can be fun/harrowing/awful/transcendent. as you imply, playing solo is a different animal: you are out there naked with no one to take up the slack, so the stakes feel way higher . . . and the rewards higher as well.

okay, that was a lot . . .

in a nutshell: sounds like you didn't like your first gig. that's not the end of the world, keep at it.
 
Thanks @Spectrum and @steubig . I really appreciate it. One of the other performers and a jazz improv drummer friend were out walking and dropped by for coffee today. The other performer had similar problems (different gear but plans shot to hell), and the jazz drummer had stories. I’m normally decent at accepting compliments so will need to rise to this occasion. Anyway I’m already feeling better.
 
But *I* didn't feel good about the show. Normally I perform, things go as they go, but I'm part of an ensemble, and I feel fine afterwards. This was the most nervous I'd been before a show in many, many years. Took 2-3 hours after getting home for the adrenaline to leave my system.
I don't have nearly the experience of others in this thread but I have done a handful of solo sets, all of which have been improvised to varying degrees. Think of it this way: no one is going to bat 1,000 with improvisation. Pick your favorite improviser and I guarantee they had some gigs they were thoroughly unhappy with afterwards, where things went wrong despite sufficient preparation, etc. When you take this into account, you can look at the occasional bummer of a set as something that not only CAN happen, but MUST happen. If every set goes totally smooth you're probably not sticking your neck out enough.

While I'm not one to completely measure things by the audience (that's a whole 'nother philosophical discussion), the fact that you did get positive feedback means you are probably being a bit harder on yourself than you really deserve.
 
I don't have nearly the experience of others in this thread but I have done a handful of solo sets, all of which have been improvised to varying degrees. Think of it this way: no one is going to bat 1,000 with improvisation. Pick your favorite improviser and I guarantee they had some gigs they were thoroughly unhappy with afterwards, where things went wrong despite sufficient preparation, etc. When you take this into account, you can look at the occasional bummer of a set as something that not only CAN happen, but MUST happen. If every set goes totally smooth you're probably not sticking your neck out enough.

While I'm not one to completely measure things by the audience (that's a whole 'nother philosophical discussion), the fact that you did get positive feedback means you are probably being a bit harder on yourself than you really deserve.

yep. all good points.

improvisors not batting 1,000: if you get a chance, listen to the extra disc on the john coltrane heavyweight champion box set, you’ll get a chance to hear him *fail* on giant steps more than a few times. doesn’t take away from his genius, but definitely shows that he was *not* infallible. (provides a glimmer of hope for us mere mortals.)
 
well this here is a big subject.

following is based on *decades* of doing improv gigs (some solo, some of 2–6 players). for a number of years, the only playing i've done has been improv.

first, you can't control if gear/logistics goes south on you. it's a drag: it *will* color the performance and make things feel worse. same with doing gigs with players and what/how they play. the audience can also color things. you make do and hope for the best.

second, i've done gigs/recordings where i *hated* what/how i played (sometimes the audience liked it, sometimes they said nothing) and came to a recording of it months later and realized it (i) did *not* suck. it's the nature of the beast. (also cross-reference with any possible gear/player/audience issues.)

third, the great thing about improv is that it goes out into the air and then it's done—unless it's recorded . . . and even then, a recording is only a snapshot of your journey/process (whatever you want to call it)—it's not the end-all, be-all. (note to self: remember this when you feel like $h!t after a gig.)

fourth, consider that you're creating something in real time, which implies the possibility of results being somewhere along a continuum of "success" and "failure." next, consider all the composers and artists who have thrown away what they thought were failures. and people grow into their art by doing it—it doesn't start out as genius, ya know?

fifth, your standards are most likely higher than the audience's. there's also the idea of your *expectations* and what you *want things to be* versus what they *are*. as older players, we have a certain amount of expertise, so doing something new that does not live up to our expectations/standards feels really bad (if we care!). it's good to have standards and be exacting in your desire to achieve them (do *not* phone it in.)



imo, improv is a skill that you have to work at—hard. even then it can be a crap-shoot, which is why it can be fun/harrowing/awful/transcendent. as you imply, playing solo is a different animal: you are out there naked with no one to take up the slack, so the stakes feel way higher . . . and the rewards higher as well.

okay, that was a lot . . .

in a nutshell: sounds like you didn't like your first gig. that's not the end of the world, keep at it.
Very well said.

@JES
ill just add a simple yet important bit of philosophy I got from my skateboarding background:

when you fall, get back up and try again

failing is a major part of learning, I’m the freakin king of failing

;)

This simple thing got me through a lot in music and my personal life
 
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So I went to a gig which is a rarity for me these days especially in sleepy old Adelaide… and on a Sunday night as well!
Saw the ocean (collective) from Germany which is always awesome with their mix of synths and melodic rock / metal… they played a selection of songs across all their albums which was great, some really melodic, some awesome synth and build up of metal combination…
Always a winner. It’s like tool on steroids in both the quiet and loud parts… I’ve seen the ocean every time they’ve come and always love their cross section of music.
They brought along cave in from America and LLNN from Denmark who opened… cave in was good… ok they were great… but just wasn’t in the mood for that sort of stuff lately… was like a mix of old school thrash and new melodic rock which was ok but that brings me to…

LLNN just… I was lost for words… I love my synth and ambient and metal and all but they just… from the get go it sounded like a subwoofer was exploding… with another subwoofer exploding on top of that… with ambient bass and guitars droning… and just… I’ve never experienced ANYTHING so heavy. They’re a massive hardcore / sludge / ambient sci-fi gamer cross section (Had to google later the guitarist tunes to drop G and the synth guy just layers and layers and layers of sub and drone and ambient noise that he spends months creating themselves…)
Literally blew me away… and as an opening act it was like how is anything going to sound heavy now!!!
It was pretty slow, doomy, drone (I guess cult of Luna or Minsk as the closest band I can compare it to)… but when that snare hits you just had to bang your head!
not sure they’re recording comes across as heavy but I’ll try! (Screaming lyrics warning I guess)
 
...Plus the video that inspired it happens to be a personal favorite from God Lives Underwater, which was an early inspiration for my synth journey.



Enjoyed the second one, God Lives Underwater. Would've been cool in the vid if they'd used something other than water, and have the glass slowly empty from each sip as the video plays out, the opposite of the food as it is "restored" from his mouth.

Enjoyed Steubig's latest, too.




Have never been able to get into any kind of screamo.
 
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