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Ambient/Post-Rock/Textural bass playing thread

Any regulars on here ever experiment with the SA c4?
Not my kind of pedal but was still curious at more objective views than on the fan thread where it seems to do everything even good espresso during the drum sound checks
I have one and appreciate the depth of sound sculpting it is capable of as well as the ability to deep edit parameters via a phone, but relative lack of hardware controls and therefore the need to adjust using a phone/tablet/computer (via hardwired connection, which I hate) tends to bother me enough that it often doesn't get the job for me. For someone who wants to tweak everything at home into perfect presets or already gigs with a tablet or laptop I could see it potentially being great (or for those who don't want to tweak and just want to download user presets, of which there are lots). I personally like to be able to tweak sounds with ease as I'm playing and not willing to rely on a hardwired computer app for that- it just kills my creative juices except for occasional home recording purposes. Of course I will always prefer a simple analog-style interface with a knob or switch for every function for sound creation purposes and that isn't practical in an FX pedal, but just a little more onboard hardware knobs would go a long way for such a dense device. Also you are limited to only 6 presets accessible on the pedal itself, and no direct MIDI interfacing unless you have a MIDI controller that can operate as a USB Host (only a few can) or else you need a separate dongle to add 5-pin MIDI.

Soundwise there is a lot of good in there, and honestly the editing interface is pretty easy to navigate if you understand subtractive synthesis. The synth waveforms are legit and the analog octaver emulation can sound pretty killer for a digital device and is super tweakable. The filters sound good but lack full ASDR envelope adjustability (apparently due to running out of space during the code-writing, so not something that firmware will ever update unless they start with new hardware), which is unfortunate as the envelope response presets are sometimes lacking for sounds I am trying to match. They are adequate for generic envelope responses, just missing that extra 10-15% of tweakability. The filters also cap out in the high-end before the full frequency range of a guitar or bass, which can be a bit of a drag. The C4 tracking is pretty dang good, but there is still the inevitable latency the lower you play on any of the tracking voices (no latency from the filter or distortion engines).


Honestly the newest update to the Panda MIDI Future Impact v4 makes me more likely to recommend that one for this purpose (the previous Future Impact v3 was about on par for me with the C4, with each having advantages and disadvantages over the other)- the only major downside there is that the editor only works on a desktop or laptop via MIDI interface. So major editing parameters like waveforms, filter types, etc can only be edited in the software on a computer and a phone isn't even an option. That said, the hardware adjustability is quite a bit more powerful than the C4 (one editing knob, but ability to select many different parameters to tweak and even resave with new values), the tracking is faster and more accurate than the C4 (as of the latest updates in FI v4) and the overall tweakability is far more extensive (though it does lack the analog octaver emulation of the C4, I still much prefer analog pedals for that anyway)- he's also added CV and MIDI outputs so you can use the Future Impact to play external synths which is pretty killer.
 
Just looked at a video with the editor for mobile.
I wanted to jump out a window.
It seems so user friendly 🤬
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Just looked at a video with the editor for mobile.
I wanted to jump out a window.
It seems so user friendly 🤬
I really don't find the editor that crazy, and I'm not much of a computer/software guy- I may be missing out on similar devices with better software editors, but I just can't see how much simpler it could get. It's pretty easy to get around and understand IMO after a little bit of exploration. My main issue is needing to use it to access so many of the important parameters. I did some jams where I'd bring the C4 and have it hooked up to my phone and it isn't fun or fast to tweak on the fly that way at all. I've had fun with it when messing around at home by myself where the tweaking is part of the fun, but otherwise it just gets in the way when playing with others.
 
I really don't find the editor that crazy, and I'm not much of a computer/software guy- I may be missing out on similar devices with better software editors, but I just can't see how much simpler it could get. It's pretty easy to get around and understand IMO after a little bit of exploration. My main issue is needing to use it to access so many of the important parameters. I did some jams where I'd bring the C4 and have it hooked up to my phone and it isn't fun or fast to tweak on the fly that way at all. I've had fun with it when messing around at home by myself where the tweaking is part of the fun, but otherwise it just gets in the way when playing with others.
My issue is also needing the editor on my phone to tweak the sounds .
I’d loose patience with it.
Some things I have an incredible sense of patience for such as practicing or reading books.

Other things like that editior or computer programs are like touching mini sticks of dynamite to trigger me going crazy

;)
 
My issue is also needing the editor on my phone to tweak the sounds .
I’d loose patience with it.
Some things I have an incredible sense of patience for such as practicing or reading books.

Other things like that editior or computer programs are like touching mini sticks of dynamite to trigger me going crazy

;)
I feel that! I've taught myself to be able to get into the mood working with software synths and other DAW plugins when making music at home, but as a collaborative player in the heat of making music with other people that stuff just kills me. I think the C4 can suit people who come into a band or collab situation with very specific tones already decided on and mostly dialed in at home, at which point you can assign the few remaining parameters you need to tweak to the pedal hardware knobs- honestly following the C4 and Source Audio threads here, I'd guess probably half the people that get one really can jive with that process enough to really get heavy use out of it. For me I rarely have that specific vision ahead of time- or at least not honed enough that just a few hardware parameters feel sufficient to get it where I want to hear it. That's where the pseudo-synth signal paths (octave-drive/fuzz/bitcrush-filter-modulation-etc) really shine because you usually have quick access to all the parameters on the fly. Not nearly as versatile as something like the C4 without filling up an entire pedalboard of modular bits, but infinitely easier to tweak in realtime.