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Ambient/Post-Rock/Textural bass playing thread

back to dep for a sec . . . i checked out the alb you guys mentioned. much more melodic than the stuff that i heard back in the day.

still don't love them . . . led me down the youtube rabbit hole to a band called jinjer from ukraine. i'm fascinated by the singer.

I’ve had a few folks suggest Jinjer. Not my favorite, but certainly interesting.
 
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i checked them out a while back, i feel like they’ve hit a new level of their thing. (or maybe i just like them more now.)

Could be.
If I’m looking for a female fronted heavy band, Arch Enemy is getting my attention. I believe they’ve cycled through a few singers over the years, but all have been in a consistent style.
They tend to be more straight up metal. Plus, that Carcass heritage.
 
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I know he had a bass before the Citron one but I can't remember what it was....
Even the custom Citron is like at version 4 or 5

He originally played a Gibson EB type bass, then a Fender and even a Parker Fly. This is the bass I’m wondering about...
 
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when i saw swallow with burton a long time ago, he was using some kind of hot-rodded p bass. might have been chambered. still my fave sound of his. i really disliked the parker. saw him in l.a. a while back. seemed to me his citron was giving him problems, but i could be wrong.

i talked to him for about 5 minutes. went all fan boi on him. he was very gracious.
 
Could be.
If I’m looking for a female fronted heavy band, Arch Enemy is getting my attention. I believe they’ve cycled through a few singers over the years, but all have been in a consistent style.
They tend to be more straight up metal. Plus, that Carcass heritage.


they’re good. sound more normal to me. fascinated by the female monster vox. (singer in rolo tomasi also does that, but alternates with clean vox.)

i really like this. singer goes between reg vox and monster between bests. (caveat is that they seem to use backing tracks, so i assume/hear that there is reinforcement.)


 
they’re good. sound more normal to me. fascinated by the female monster vox. (singer in rolo tomasi also does that, but alternates with clean vox.)

i really like this. singer goes between reg vox and monster between bests. (caveat is that they seem to use backing tracks, so i assume/hear that there is reinforcement.)




Have you listened to these guys?
You gotta jump 2+ minutes in to get past the pre-music portion of the video. Another band I don’t love, but find interesting. I’m sure there’s more in their catalog.
 
Steve Swallow ...His tone on that duet stuff with Carla Bley is massive.
His sound is so unique


Hmm... Steve Swallow is one of those musicians who I have immense respect for -- not just his consummate musicianship and huge encyclopedic ears but also his discipline, restraint, self-control, his willingness to listen, the thoughtfulness he puts into every note, the fact that nothing he plays ever sounds like a canned lick but always a sensitive well-regarded musical response to being in that precise moment -- but I cannot stand his tone. I wrote this somewhere else on TB a few years ago, or something to this effect: Steve Swallow's first electric was one of those terminally muddy-sounding Gibson EB-2D basses, and ever since then he's been commissioning brilliant luthiers to spare no expense in recreating that crappy tone. :)

But here's a fascinating and insightful quote about instruments and tone from Steve Swallow that I also shared in TB ~4 years ago in this thread:

"The conventional wisdom regarding the electric bass is that Leo Fender got it right. It's really remarkable the extent he nailed it right off the bat with the Precision Bass and subsequently the Jazz Bass in the '50s when the instrument was being born. But some of the things he nailed were along the lines of making an extremely efficient instrument, an instrument that spoke very quickly and clearly, that sustained very well, that could be heard at a greater volume than the acoustic bass could be heard. Those were all tremendously valuable attributes, and had a tremendous effect on certain kinds of music, but not really on jazz music.

"What I've been looking for in the electric bass is, in a sense, the opposite of what Leo Fender accomplished. I've been looking for a kind of inefficiency to the instrument that I loved in the acoustic bass. Every acoustic bass has notes that need to be favored. I has 'wolf tones' and it has dead spots on the neck. It has personality, and as a player, you're often at odds with that personality and you're trying desperately as you practice to thwart the instrument. To make the 'wolf tones' speak and to make the tones that are popping out at you not pop out at you, to bend the instrument to your own purposes. I've been looking to retrieve that in the electric bass, to get electric bass makers to build an instrument with anomalies, to dare to build an instrument that's inefficient, that stinks of personality, of its own identity.

"And I've had some success in persuading makers to pursue that, in particular Harvey Citron, the guy who's built the last half-dozen instruments I've had. It's been fun to explore this."
 
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Hmm... Steve Swallow is one of those musicians who I have immense respect for -- not just his consummate musicianship and huge encyclopedic ears but also his discipline, restraint, self-control, his willingness to listen, the thoughtfulness he puts into every note, the fact that nothing he plays ever sounds like a canned lick but always a sensitive well-regarded musical response to being in that precise moment -- but I cannot stand his tone. I wrote this somewhere else on TB a few years ago, or something to this effect: Steve Swallow's first electric was one of those terminally muddy-sounding Gibson EB-2D basses, and ever since then he's been commissioning brilliant luthiers to spare no expense in recreating that crappy tone. :)

But here's a fascinating and insightful quote about instruments and tone from Steve Swallow that I also shared in TB ~4 years ago in this thread:

"The conventional wisdom regarding the electric bass is that Leo Fender got it right. It's really remarkable the extent he nailed it right off the bat with the Precision Bass and subsequently the Jazz Bass in the '50s when the instrument was being born. But some of the things he nailed were along the lines of making an extremely efficient instrument, an instrument that spoke very quickly and clearly, that sustained very well, that could be heard at a greater volume than the acoustic bass could be heard. Those were all tremendously valuable attributes, and had a tremendous effect on certain kinds of music, but not really on jazz music.

"What I've been looking for in the electric bass is, in a sense, the opposite of what Leo Fender accomplished. I've been looking for a kind of inefficiency to the instrument that I loved in the acoustic bass. Every acoustic bass has notes that need to be favored. I has 'wolf tones' and it has dead spots on the neck. It has personality, and as a player, you're often at odds with that personality and you're trying desperately as you practice to thwart the instrument. To make the 'wolf tones' speak and to make the tones that are popping out at you not pop out at you, to bend the instrument to your own purposes. I've been looking to retrieve that in the electric bass, to get electric bass makers to build an instrument with anomalies, to dare to build an instrument that's inefficient, that stinks of personality, of its own identity.

"And I've had some success in persuading makers to pursue that, in particular Harvey Citron, the guy who's built the last half-dozen instruments I've had. It's been fun to explore this."

Interesting point of view! The Citron isn’t my idea of the kind of tone I’d want, but I think that F Bass sounds fantastic! Not something I would always want, but I love it. And that’s why they make different colored shirts :)
 
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