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Anyone have first hand experience with that Orba? I'm a sucker for anything that only costs $100

I bought two Orba's from the Kickstarter campaign last year. One for myself and one for my daughter. It's so much fun, really addictive, and you can obviously take it anywhere. With the new firmware you can save anything you create on it. I haven't used it as a midi controller or to control software synths so can't comment on that. But the the Orba itself is money well spent. I love it. It sounds good. It's easy to use and really fun. I previously had their Instrument 1 stick thing that they sell but ended up selling it. The sounds and feel were kind of cheesy in IMO. I was not motivated to pick it up and play with it. The Orba is completely opposite of that.
 
Speaking of instrument, @steubig how's it going with the Iridium and are you ready to compare with the Hydrasynth?

this could be lengthy, but i’ll try to make it short.

my iridium is in the shop, as the screen got dislodged a bit during shipping. being taken care of under warranty, so that’s good. strangely, the touch screen still worked and i was able to program patches with it.

so, the first thing is that the build quality is not as good as the hydra, which ime is rock-solid.

hydrasynth’s manual is great. full print. they supply pdf addenda for firmware updates. iridium’s manual is mostly online. not clear how they document their firmware updates. i did one firmware update for iridium that alleviated a clicking problem in the release of the amp envelope. the update process worked really well, as does hydra’s (hydra has had 3-4 updates, both for bug fixes and new features). i’m excited to see the iridium’s new firmware. btw, i really dislike online manuals.

okay, how does it sound, right?

imo, the iridium’s filters sound more lush—or maybe that was the mood i was in and how i was programming. i’ve programmed maybe 10-15 patches? i lost the first one due to what i consider a counterintuitive file management system (hydra has a bit of this as well). iridium has three filters, hydra has two. iirc, the iridium could stand to have more routing options. you can pan the filters in iridium, which is very cool.

the hydra is deep and has some really interesting possibilities with modulating parameters. right now it’s a little easier to do than the iridium (though i’ve seen reports that v 3.0 will make it easier). the iridium has more modulation slots and each slot has the possibility of having another source modulate the main source (!), which opens up a ton of possibilities. hydra can do that, but you need to designate another modulation slot to do that—or use a macro. the macros on the hydra are an advantage because you can have up to eight variations on a specific patch at the push of a button, or real-time control via the encoders.

hydra has a slight advantage in that the lfo menu has a random setting. iridium has one more lfo.

the iridium oscillator section is nuts. the possibilities are seemingly endless. so many. i’m a fan of the developer and wish he would add some of the waveforms that he used in his nlog app. all three oscillators share the same possibilities. i haven’t delved into sample import yet in particle (granular). kernel (fm) is very cool, as are the waveform and wavetable options. there’s a lot going on that you can mix and match.

osc 1 and 2 on hydra are the heavy hitters, while osc 3 doesn’t have quite the sonic possibilities. the hydra has the mutator sections on osc 1 and 2, which adds a lot of capabilities—some unpleasant. :)

i like the ring mod section on the hydra better, as iridium only has 1->3 or 2->3 (iirc). hydra can ring mod any osc by another one.

the effects… i wish each would add a non-linear reverb. i can’t recall if the iridium has reverse delay or not. having a ring mod slot (like a pedal) would be welcome for both. lo-fi/bit crush sounds in the hydra are in the effects section; they’re in the third filter (name of which i forget right now) in the iridium. i can’t recall if hydra has more possibilities for modulating effects parameters or not.

pads on the iridium are not touch sensitive; hydra desktop’s have poly aftertouch. right now the iridium doesn’t respond to pat, but i hear that’s in the next update (watch out!). @lordradish knows more about this than me.

iridium has 16 voices; hydra had eight. if you get the hydra key and desktop, it’s still cheaper than the iridium. you’d get 16 voices and six oscillators. whether you’d get more sonics than the iridium is debatable.

okay, that wasn’t short at all.
 
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this could be lengthy, but i’ll try to make it short.

my iridium is in the shop, as the screen got dislodged a bit during shipping. being taken care of under warranty, so that’s good. strangely, the touch screen still worked and i was able to program patches with it.

so, the first thing is that the build quality is not as good as the hydra, which ime is rock-solid.

hydrasynth’s manual is great. full print. they supply pdf addenda for firmware updates. iridium’s manual is mostly online. not clear how they document their firmware updates. i did one firmware update for iridium that alleviated a clicking problem in the release of the amp envelope. the update process worked really well, as does hydra’s (hydra has had 3-4 updates, both for bug fixes and new features). i’m excited to see the iridium’s new firmware. btw, i really dislike online manuals.

okay, how does it sound, right?

imo, the iridium’s filters sound more lush—or maybe that was the mood i was in and how i was programming. i’ve programmed maybe 10-15 patches? i lost the first one due to what i consider a counterintuitive file management system (hydra has a bit of this as well). iridium has three filters, hydra has two. iirc, the iridium could stand to have more routing options. you can pan the filters in iridium, which is very cool.

the hydra is deep and has some really interesting possibilities with modulating parameters. right now it’s a little easier to do than the iridium (though i’ve seen reports that v 3.0 will make it easier). the iridium has more modulation slots and each slot has the possibility of having another source modulate the main source (!), which opens up a ton of possibilities. hydra can do that, but you need to designate another modulation slot to do that—or use a macro. the macros on the hydra are an advantage because you can have up to eight variations on a specific patch at the push of a button, or real-time control via the encoders.

hydra has a slight advantage in that the lfo menu has a random setting. iridium has one more lfo.

the iridium oscillator section is nuts. the possibilities are seemingly endless. so many. i’m a fan of the developer and wish he would add some of the waveforms that he used in his nlog app. all three oscillators share the same possibilities. i haven’t delved into sample import yet in particle (granular). kernel (fm) is very cool, as are the waveform and wavetable options. there’s a lot going on that you can mix and match.

osc 1 and 2 on hydra are the heavy hitters, while osc 3 doesn’t have quite the sonic possibilities. the hydra has the mutator sections on osc 1 and 2, which adds a lot of capabilities—some unpleasant. :)

i like the ring mod section on the hydra better, as iridium only has 1->3 or 2->3 (iirc). hydra can ring mod any osc by another one.

the effects… i wish each would add a non-linear reverb. i can’t recall if the iridium has reverse delay or not. having a ring mod slot (like a pedal) would be welcome for both. lo-fi/bit crush sounds in the hydra are in the effects section; they’re in the third filter (name of which i forget right now) in the iridium. i can’t recall if hydra has more possibilities for modulating effects parameters or not.

pads on the iridium are not touch sensitive; hydra desktop’s have poly aftertouch. right now the iridium doesn’t respond to pat, but i hear that’s in the next update (watch out!). @lordradish knows more about this than me.

iridium has 16 voices; hydra had eight. if you get the hydra key and desktop, it’s still cheaper than the iridium. you’d get 16 voices and six oscillators. whether you’d get more sonics than the iridium is debatable.

okay, that wasn’t short at all.
;)
 
this could be lengthy, but i’ll try to make it short.

my iridium is in the shop, as the screen got dislodged a bit during shipping. being taken care of under warranty, so that’s good. strangely, the touch screen still worked and i was able to program patches with it.

so, the first thing is that the build quality is not as good as the hydra, which ime is rock-solid.

hydrasynth’s manual is great. full print. they supply pdf addenda for firmware updates. iridium’s manual is mostly online. not clear how they document their firmware updates. i did one firmware update for iridium that alleviated a clicking problem in the release of the amp envelope. the update process worked really well, as does hydra’s (hydra has had 3-4 updates, both for bug fixes and new features). i’m excited to see the iridium’s new firmware. btw, i really dislike online manuals.

okay, how does it sound, right?

imo, the iridium’s filters sound more lush—or maybe that was the mood i was in and how i was programming. i’ve programmed maybe 10-15 patches? i lost the first one due to what i consider a counterintuitive file management system (hydra has a bit of this as well). iridium has three filters, hydra has two. iirc, the iridium could stand to have more routing options. you can pan the filters in iridium, which is very cool.

the hydra is deep and has some really interesting possibilities with modulating parameters. right now it’s a little easier to do than the iridium (though i’ve seen reports that v 3.0 will make it easier). the iridium has more modulation slots and each slot has the possibility of having another source modulate the main source (!), which opens up a ton of possibilities. hydra can do that, but you need to designate another modulation slot to do that—or use a macro. the macros on the hydra are an advantage because you can have up to eight variations on a specific patch at the push of a button, or real-time control via the encoders.

hydra has a slight advantage in that the lfo menu has a random setting. iridium has one more lfo.

the iridium oscillator section is nuts. the possibilities are seemingly endless. so many. i’m a fan of the developer and wish he would add some of the waveforms that he used in his nlog app. all three oscillators share the same possibilities. i haven’t delved into sample import yet in particle (granular). kernel (fm) is very cool, as are the waveform and wavetable options. there’s a lot going on that you can mix and match.

osc 1 and 2 on hydra are the heavy hitters, while osc 3 doesn’t have quite the sonic possibilities. the hydra has the mutator sections on osc 1 and 2, which adds a lot of capabilities—some unpleasant. :)

i like the ring mod section on the hydra better, as iridium only has 1->3 or 2->3 (iirc). hydra can ring mod any osc by another one.

the effects… i wish each would add a non-linear reverb. i can’t recall if the iridium has reverse delay or not. having a ring mod slot (like a pedal) would be welcome for both. lo-fi/bit crush sounds in the hydra are in the effects section; they’re in the third filter (name of which i forget right now) in the iridium. i can’t recall if hydra has more possibilities for modulating effects parameters or not.

pads on the iridium are not touch sensitive; hydra desktop’s have poly aftertouch. right now the iridium doesn’t respond to pat, but i hear that’s in the next update (watch out!). @lordradish knows more about this than me.

iridium has 16 voices; hydra had eight. if you get the hydra key and desktop, it’s still cheaper than the iridium. you’d get 16 voices and six oscillators. whether you’d get more sonics than the iridium is debatable.

okay, that wasn’t short at all.
To add to what @steubig said, the 3.0 beta update has MPE (which has poly AT). They also add another filter type, you can cut and paste mod routings, you can read samples direct from the SD card. There's probably a few other things I can't remember.

I like both synths, but I do like the Iridium more than the HS. I like the interface, and it's just a more powerful synth, I can certainly get more complex sounds out of it, and I like the ability to do multilayered samples. It's currently a real pain in the ass to assign samples, but I heard that the upcoming version of Sample Robot is going to have the qpat format, and it will allow autosampling, so I'm definitely going to get that and sample a few of my favorite VST's. I've already made some good Mellotron patches for it.
 
In other news, my Miezo has apparently disappeared into the ether. Got to the US from overseas fairly quickly, its last update has DHL saying it left Boston, and then the USPS waiting for it in Manchester NH.... since TUESDAY. Neither can tell me where, exactly, it is.

I am not amused.
 
Yep.

Got the same 'forwarded to destination' status on Friday that DHL sent me on Wed. I'm hoping there was a hiccup and it's actually going to show up in Manchester on Monday, which prob means I'll get Tues or Wed. I am going to find out if I can get some sort of refund from DHL. This sucks almost as much as Fed Ex always does (in VT, at least).
 
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Somebody mention the 808?

I've taken it a couple times to get dropped at a N.T. Gov't office, but unless you live out that way it really goes nowhere; I'm just across the Tolo Harbour from its Northern Terminus, so totally different bus# needed.

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New busses are much nicer than the old...

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We're only 100 pages away...

Thanks @steubig and @lordradish . I've been waiting for a proper comparison for some time. I have been thinking about a proper hardware polysynth -- something the modular doesn't do very well. The Hydrasynth's interface appeals to me but sonically, I am sure my VSTs sound just as good. But the Iridium is a bit more intriguing. For the moment I'm not so worried about multisample import, though I can see how that would be appealing. I'm more concerned about build quality and interface. Again, I can do a hell of a lot with a computer or iPad at this point, so it has to be quicker, more fun, and more rewarding to program. And @steubig's screen problem seems to be a common issue.
 
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In other news, yesterday was a big music-and-gear day. Another great practice as we get closer to being ready to make a record. There was one song that just hadn't worked and the front end has been rearranged with a sort of My Bloody Valentine feel and now works great, plus I get to use a 2-step whammy setting on one of my H9s to get a Kevin Shields "glide guitar" vibe. Super fun. I did almost fall over again, though. I really don't want to wind up playing shows sitting down but that may be my future: set up like Charlie Hunter but playing like Aaron Turner.

IN OTHER NEWS, we went to the luthier to look at my instrument, which is now built, is lightweight, and is actually shaped for my body. We need to decide on a finish. Here are some photos under fluorescent light. Current top candidates are clear with a little tint (which is probably what the back will be regardless because of the awesome grain), gold, purple, blue, and a very cool sort of silver/slightly metallic, which is probably in the lead right now. Visually, the body is a bit Les Paul like. Opinions welcome. (I threw in a reference for the top at the end but we didn't lay it on the instrument). I've always wanted a purple instrument (#Mpls) but I don't think this is the one. I want something that'll be a take-everywhere instrument. Jacques did such a good job I'm considering having him make another, after I play this one for awhile.

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In other news, yesterday was a big music-and-gear day. Another great practice as we get closer to being ready to make a record. There was one song that just hadn't worked and the front end has been rearranged with a sort of My Bloody Valentine feel and now works great, plus I get to use a 2-step whammy setting on one of my H9s to get a Kevin Shields "glide guitar" vibe. Super fun. I did almost fall over again, though. I really don't want to wind up playing shows sitting down but that may be my future: set up like Charlie Hunter but playing like Aaron Turner.

IN OTHER NEWS, we went to the luthier to look at my instrument, which is now built, is lightweight, and is actually shaped for my body. We need to decide on a finish. Here are some photos under fluorescent light. Current top candidates are clear with a little tint (which is probably what the back will be regardless because of the awesome grain), gold, purple, blue, and a very cool sort of silver/slightly metallic, which is probably in the lead right now. Visually, the body is a bit Les Paul like. Opinions welcome. (I threw in a reference for the top at the end but we didn't lay it on the instrument). I've always wanted a purple instrument (#Mpls) but I don't think this is the one. I want something that'll be a take-everywhere instrument. Jacques did such a good job I'm considering having him make another, after I play this one for awhile.

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Clips once its completed.
 
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In other news, yesterday was a big music-and-gear day. Another great practice as we get closer to being ready to make a record. There was one song that just hadn't worked and the front end has been rearranged with a sort of My Bloody Valentine feel and now works great, plus I get to use a 2-step whammy setting on one of my H9s to get a Kevin Shields "glide guitar" vibe. Super fun. I did almost fall over again, though. I really don't want to wind up playing shows sitting down but that may be my future: set up like Charlie Hunter but playing like Aaron Turner.

IN OTHER NEWS, we went to the luthier to look at my instrument, which is now built, is lightweight, and is actually shaped for my body. We need to decide on a finish. Here are some photos under fluorescent light. Current top candidates are clear with a little tint (which is probably what the back will be regardless because of the awesome grain), gold, purple, blue, and a very cool sort of silver/slightly metallic, which is probably in the lead right now. Visually, the body is a bit Les Paul like. Opinions welcome. (I threw in a reference for the top at the end but we didn't lay it on the instrument). I've always wanted a purple instrument (#Mpls) but I don't think this is the one. I want something that'll be a take-everywhere instrument. Jacques did such a good job I'm considering having him make another, after I play this one for awhile.

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That is gorgeous. Beautiful work.
 
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