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Ambient/Post-Rock/Textural bass playing thread

We can hang :beer:

My biggest beef w/ the Dead is that when I hear Phil Lesh talk about music and what he's trying to achieve on the bass in the Dead's music, I think "Yeah! Cool! This guy gets it! I really want to hear some of that!"

...and then I listen to the music, and his bass playing is indistinguishable from modal wanking. None of the musically substantive stuff he talks about is audible in his playing, at least not beneath the morass of noodling.

Ugh, don't get me started on the whole "jam band" phenom... :vomits:

LOL, I had a lesson with Kai Eckhardt, he was like, "I tell my students if they listen to Phil Lesh that that's how NOT to play - he does everything wrong!" But that's Phil's charm - he's not really a bassist, he's a musician who happens to play bass. I've been working on my Phil interpretation this past year - have an opportunity to play with a Dead-style band - it's not easy! I also found that as un-rhythmic as he can seem, he is often (at least during the early/mid-70s) just right on the notes, plopping them in the perfect spots, but rarely the downbeat.

And the noodling is part of the aesthetic too - it totally goes against "professional" musical values, but there's something about the approach (hippie, slacker, etc.) that appeals to me.

I think it is legitimate though to question whether his philosophy about bass playing really manifests in practice. If so, I haven't been able to penetrate it yet.

I'd listen to a whole evening of that.

And that's part of the magic of the Dead - how often are you going to have sounds like that at a concert in front of that many people? They got very formulaic by the '80s, but during the the early/mid-70s (can you tell that's my favorite era?) they manifested a whole bunch of different genres & approaches in concert.

OK, Dead-defense over! I'm gonna go listen to some STAX now.
 
LOL, I had a lesson with Kai Eckhardt, he was like, "I tell my students if they listen to Phil Lesh that that's how NOT to play - he does everything wrong!" But that's Phil's charm - he's not really a bassist, he's a musician who happens to play bass. I've been working on my Phil interpretation this past year - have an opportunity to play with a Dead-style band - it's not easy! I also found that as un-rhythmic as he can seem, he is often (at least during the early/mid-70s) just right on the notes, plopping them in the perfect spots, but rarely the downbeat.

ouch. fwiw, i'm okay with the musician who plays bass vibe, just not his flavor.

i will say that there was a time when his sound was pretty interesting. (and he and cassidy were very groundbreaking.)

And the noodling is part of the aesthetic too - it totally goes against "professional" musical values, but there's something about the approach (hippie, slacker, etc.) that appeals to me.

i don't like noodly *anything*. noodly free improv makes me consider sepuku.

since i have zero career my opinion is not worth much. :D
 
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Robocop is in Detroit aka Delta city.

Delta City is also the future name of New Orleans in Buck Rogers in the 25th Century (can you tell I watch a lot of sci fi growing up?). Apparently it gets renamed sometime in the next 500 years after a nuclear war or something, but Buck, of course, still calls it by its old name.

Just like New York City is really New Amsterdam.


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Well, let's see... my favorite electric bass players include:
- Tony Levin
- Mick Karn
- Nathan East
- Jimmy Johnson
- Jerome Harris
- Anthony Jackson
- Paul Jackson
- Bill Laswell (less for the noise and more for the groove)
- Chris Squire
- Mel Schacher
- Jeff Berlin (before ~1982)
- Jon Camp
- Larry Graham
- Bernard Edwards

My favorite upright bass players include:
- Mark Dresser
- Mark Helias
- Mike Formanek
- Barre Phillips
- Donald Palma

My favorite non-bass playing musicians include:
- Tim Berne
- Bill Frisell
- Chick Corea
- Frank Zappa (as a composer; not so much as a guitarist or comedian or social commentator)
- Ornette Coleman
- John McLaughlin
- Peter Gabriel
...I know I'm leaving a lot off this list!

And my favorite musician Of All Time Bar None is almost certainly:
- Igor Stravinsky

What choo got?
 
My mentioning Stravinsky, and then seeing your mention of "composers etc" makes me realize my list would give an unfair representation of my interests if I didn't also cite
- Milton Babbitt
- John Luther Adams
- Bela Bartok
- Elliott Carter
- Aaron Copland
- Thelonius Monk (as a composer)
- Wolfgang Freakin' Amadeus Mozart
- Edgard Varese

Also: Yes, Gentle Giant, King Crimson, and The Rolling Stones
 
My mentioning Stravinsky, and then seeing your mention of "composers etc" makes me realize my list would give an unfair representation of my interests if I didn't also cite
- Milton Babbitt
- John Luther Adams
- Bela Bartok
- Elliott Carter
- Aaron Copland
- Thelonius Monk (as a composer)
- Wolfgang Freakin' Amadeus Mozart
- Edgard Varese

Also: Yes, Gentle Giant, King Crimson, and The Rolling Stones
This will never end.
Haha.
endless list.
 
My mentioning Stravinsky, and then seeing your mention of "composers etc" makes me realize my list would give an unfair representation of my interests if I didn't also cite
- Milton Babbitt
- John Luther Adams
- Bela Bartok
- Elliott Carter
- Aaron Copland
- Thelonius Monk (everything)
- Wolfgang Freakin' Amadeus Mozart
- Edgard Varese

Also: Yes, Gentle Giant, King Crimson, and The Rolling Stones
FYP
 
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