May not have been the intention, but that's how all these threads turn out when it involves Ampeg amps or Fender basses. People just use them as an excuse to pile on.
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Ampeg is mixing cabs!
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I hold JimmyM completely responsible for Ampegs selling of mixed cabinets. You should be ashamed of yourself Jimmy.
Also, since I thought that I had read in the Mesa Boogie Subway thread that the new MB cabinets were designed to perform well when mixed, I asked a thinly veiled question, (well actually, I mentioned this thread) there about the subject, and Andy came through, (as expected) with a good response, (And Mr Al Kraft also provided a good description of the issues involved too).
I guess I can understand that nobody from Loud wants to get involved here, but I do think it would be wise for them to engage their (loyal current) and potential future customer base here the way other companies have.
Also, since I thought that I had read in the Mesa Boogie Subway thread that the new MB cabinets were designed to perform well when mixed, I asked a thinly veiled question, (well actually, I mentioned this thread) there about the subject, and Andy came through, (as expected) with a good response, (And Mr Al Kraft also provided a good description of the issues involved too).
I guess I can understand that nobody from Loud wants to get involved here, but I do think it would be wise for them to engage their (loyal current) and potential future customer base here the way other companies have.
But I ilke it to have a glass of whiskey besides a glass of beer.
Do I have a % Vol issue like a phase issue cause these don't match?
Very likely I have got an delay issue the day after
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They've tried, and Hodgy still comes on sometimes, but they always get yelled at over nothing like threads like this, and while they have to show the appearance of niceness lest it affect sales, I don't get commissions so I don'tI hold JimmyM completely responsible for Ampegs selling of mixed cabinets. You should be ashamed of yourself Jimmy.
Also, since I thought that I had read in the Mesa Boogie Subway thread that the new MB cabinets were designed to perform well when mixed, I asked a thinly veiled question, (well actually, I mentioned this thread) there about the subject, and Andy came through, (as expected) with a good response, (And Mr Al Kraft also provided a good description of the issues involved too).
I guess I can understand that nobody from Loud wants to get involved here, but I do think it would be wise for them to engage their (loyal current) and potential future customer base here the way other companies have.
And they know I don't take anyone's BS on here without a fight, so here you are.
I appreciate it when Hodgy contributes to this forum.
I spent almost forty years working with engineers who were way smarter than me, and I often benefited from their knowledge.
I would like to hear from the smart guys doing the engineering of Ampeg amps and speaker cabinets.
I have recently renewed my interest in the short-lived Ampeg GVT guitar amp line, and it would be cool to be able to discuss technical details about the amps and cabs with people who know about the product line. (Although the engineers who designed the GVT stuff probably are no longer employed by Ampeg, I suppose).
I spent almost forty years working with engineers who were way smarter than me, and I often benefited from their knowledge.
I would like to hear from the smart guys doing the engineering of Ampeg amps and speaker cabinets.
I have recently renewed my interest in the short-lived Ampeg GVT guitar amp line, and it would be cool to be able to discuss technical details about the amps and cabs with people who know about the product line. (Although the engineers who designed the GVT stuff probably are no longer employed by Ampeg, I suppose).
I actually don't see why any manufacturer would want to come on this forum sometimes. I have seen company reps come on here and get attacked by those with the mob mentality. Andy on the other hand, I think he actually likes to help people out and spread his knowledge around. But even Andy has been attacked on here from time to time.
I agree that it makes for good customer service for them to come around here, but being harassed because you don't agree with something just scares many away.
I agree that it makes for good customer service for them to come around here, but being harassed because you don't agree with something just scares many away.
Don't get me wrong...I will speak my mind to company reps on here, but I have mastered the fine art of knowing what's important from what's just gratuitous internet whining. Like one time, there were all sorts of crazy rumors going on about a product Ampeg was coming out with, and one of the guys there said, "It's kind of like a bunch of ladies in a sewing circle." Man, you would have thought he told them they were ugly and smelled like pee! Geesh! Get the hell over it!
And then again, I've had reps attack me as well. So they're not necessarily any better as a whole
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I always find it odd when I read posts where people are arguing with manufacturers that their product "wasn't designed that way" or that it works differently than the person who designed says it does. Learning requires the willingness to listen and being ready to admit that there are things you didn't actually understand as well as you thought.
If I were a manufacturer/designer, I'd find some of the feedback and attitude to be a disincentive to continuing my participation on a frequent basis. I'm very thankful for those subject matter experts and industry thought leaders who choose to continue to hang out, share their insights, and basically provide us a free education.
And that is what I am talking about, the mob mentality or the pitchfork sewing circle lol. If I don't agree with something, I just won't spend my money there, simple enough.Don't get me wrong...I will speak my mind to company reps on here, but I have mastered the fine art of knowing what's important from what's just gratuitous internet whining. Like one time, there were all sorts of crazy rumors going on about a product Ampeg was coming out with, and one of the guys there said, "It's kind of like a bunch of ladies in a sewing circle." Man, you would have thought he told them they were ugly and smelled like pee! Geesh! Get the hell over it!
And then again, I've had reps attack me as well. So they're not necessarily any better as a whole
Exactly this.
I'll worry about comb filtering from my mixed cabs, the instant I'm being paid to play in an anechoic chamber.
But as soon as you have walls, a ceiling, bar, tables, etc, there is comb filtering and phase cancellation all over the place.
My rig sounds great, so I'm gonna keep using it.
But as soon as you have walls, a ceiling, bar, tables, etc, there is comb filtering and phase cancellation all over the place.
My rig sounds great, so I'm gonna keep using it.
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...and IME these are just a sampling of the many reasons a bass rig sounds different at home, at a bar, in a concert hall, outdoors on an open air stage, etc.
I posted earlier something about the difference between a venue designed for the purpose of the performance of amplified music compared to the typical random bar room. Substitute "Some Such Performing Arts Center", or Carnegie Hall for anechoic chamber, and you on the right track. In my opinion.
Even the finest halls have phase and filtering issues. As soon as you introduce reflections, they are present.
However, halls designed for music have used those reflections to their advantage. But they are still there.
I got my pf800 2-10&1-15 he rig from ams as a package a year ago and no one has come to my door to arrest me yet!
I have used 4-10s in pairs and 4-10-1-15 stacks with never an issue or complaint! Depends on what I feel venue requires.
I have used 4-10s in pairs and 4-10-1-15 stacks with never an issue or complaint! Depends on what I feel venue requires.
