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Ampeg PF500/PF350 Pt II.5

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Just for S&G, I'd like to see a compact 410 cab with the fliptop feature and possibly a 212 cab too.

Now that would be cool ;)

Keep Low :bassist:

I obviously don't know everything involved in production, but I could see cabs like that working pretty well. I could see them being pretty popular too. So, just for S&G... I miraculously had a few minutes of down time for a change, so I did some Photoshopping. I could see this cabinet format easily being a 4ohm 4x10 or 2x15. Two 15's stacked vertically of course, or four 10's offset stacked (similar to the Mesa Powerhouse 4x12).

Just to be clear, I have no knowledge of what Ampeg has up their sleeve and this is not an actual Ampeg product or product announcement... ;)

Just amusing myself I guess. :cool:

5sg.

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I actually didn't really like the sound of my first PF115 at all when I got it... I thought it sounded a little too honky, like it had "a frog stuck in its throat." I really had to fight my first instincts of sending it back, but I remembered the break-in period with my Avatars.

Now that it's broken in, I don't have any second thoughts about keeping it. Actually, with Jimmy's direct comparison of the PF350/PF115 vs. B-15, I actually have reverse buyer's remorse. :p Soundwise, the new PF115 is the same, but it'll get there. Can't wait to have them both broken in and see what the full stack can really do! ;)


5sg.

I'm sure it will sound better once broken in. I've been running it with my B15 head, and have to admit that it sounds really good on that, and that sonically it is pretty close to the B15 cab. It even stacks nicely under my '63 as a nice extension cabinet, even though it's black not blue ;)



Pretty much sums up my feelings too. I've always been a fan of ported cabs. I've owned a few sealed cabs through the years and have always found myself going back to ported cabs.

When I first saw the pictures of the new PF cabs, I thought WOW, cool retro look and big smile when I saw they were ported. Started gassing for the PF-500 and two of the 15 cabs. Then got bummed when I found out that the shipping versions were sealed cabs.

The farts out thing is how I feel about sealed cabs in general but they do get low albeit a different type of low than ported cabs. The PF115 will sound better after it breaks in but whether or not it will hit as hard as you want is another question entirely. As far as getting out the jig saw, I'd try pulling the horn out first and seeing if the hole for the horn gives you enough porting for bottom without the speaker farting out or suffering from over-excursion. If that works out, then you could cut a port that size and put the horn back in. :

I think the PF500 just has a lot more juice under the hood and is capable of pushing those extended lows like I'm used to hearing out of my 2x15's - and that's what I was missing. I did play around with removing the horn and the back jack panel to experiment with porting options, and to my ears, removing the horn didn't do much. Noticeable - but ehh. Removing the jack panel on the other hand put out the extra lows I dig in a hard rock setting. For now I'm putting it all back together and I'm going to wait until it get's broke in before I get crazy with the jig saw ;) or start making a custom port flange where the back panel should be ;)

And the tweeter? Not as harsh as some that I've heard - but it's safe to say that if I keep it in the cab, I'll never use it. Tweeters just aren't my cup o' tea.
 
:) Basically it would be like a BT15C cab :

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Stiles,
Very nice amp, you've managed to show us an amp that's not in Ampeg: The Story Behind The Sound. I've been looking for the B-15NC 2x15 and B15 ND because they were B18 heads set on top of 15" portaflex cabinets, so they had a 50 watt tube amp driving them. Your BT-15 C has that same cabinet. I bet that cab and head would smoke a Fender Bassman from the same period.

Ric
 
Weird how people hear the same thing and hear it different ways...I think the PF115 is actually more extended on the lows than the double baffle. Maybe not the Gene Simmons cab, but definitely the double baffle. Doesn't go HLF low, but it's amazing a sealed 115 would have that much low end.
 
Weird how people hear the same thing and hear it different ways...I think the PF115 is actually more extended on the lows than the double baffle. Maybe not the Gene Simmons cab, but definitely the double baffle. Doesn't go HLF low, but it's amazing a sealed 115 would have that much low end.

+1 And while my experiences would normally lead to a contrary result, the sealed cab at NAMM did sound more full/deep than the ported cabs they had. It absolutely sounded better. Zane even admitted that they were all kind of surprised (in a good way) by the sound of the sealed cabs.
 
+1 And while my experiences would normally lead to a contrary result, the sealed cab at NAMM did sound more full/deep than the ported cabs they had. It absolutely sounded better. Zane even admitted that they were all kind of surprised (in a good way) by the sound of the sealed cabs.
Yeah, whoda thunk it? Wonder what happened there.
 
I got really great tone outa my PF-350 last night at rehearsal, which I drive my new Avatar SB112 NEO with. I set the GAIN at 2:00, the BASS at 2:00, the MID at 1:00, the treble at 11:00, and the MASTER at 1:00. That found the sweet spot for me using my passive (hot pickups though) Peavey Scorpio Signature bass with DR Low Rider strings.
Yeah it's a small rig but it has BIG personality! I only paid 300 bucks for the bass (clearance price) so the whole rig cost me less than a grand, new. Very happy with it.
 
Hello all! I said I would post a review after my tour and here it is! So let's get started...

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No pic no rig right? ;) This was taken on my phone after a gig in London. Sorry about the quality.

I wasn't really in the market for a new amp. I had a MarkBass CMD102P which was very good. It wasn't until I tried a Squier Jag through a Tiny Terror that I thought "Maybe I could use something with a little dirt in it.". That did it and set me thinking that perhaps a Tiny Terror would be in my life in the near future. The next time I went to the guitar shop I took my Mustang with the intent of trying out a Tiny Terror, but they had sold it unfortunately. I did try out the AD200B and it just didn't grab me though, so I shelved that idea. Then I remembered the portaflex series. I got to try the PF-500 out and left the shop with it that very day with a matching 210. Got £100 off for buying the two together as well! (PMT in Bristol, nice bunch in there!) It's not as good a deal as some of you Yanks have had, but I was pretty pleased with that. It probably helped that I had bought a Jag SS in there the previous week mind! The reason I picked the 210 over the 115? They didn't have any 115s for me to try so I just went with what they had.

Unfortunately, the day that I bought the rig I had a gig and I wasn't going to take new and un-tested gear out with me. Too much to think about when my band already has to set up a myriad of cables for in ear monitors (read: I have to set up a myriad of cables). At home though, I was really pleased with the sound, but it was a little bright. I thought it was just because I had changed the strings on my bass, but further reading here makes me think that the speakers were also not worn in yet. One thing that slightly peeved me though, was the US mains cable in the box. I know the amp can run off varying voltages, but would it really be that hard to have someone put the correct mains cable for the destination of the amp?

Design
I was always keen on the styling after just seeing the pictures on the Ampeg site and here I was not disappointed in real life. It's just so damn pretty! Much more attractive than the MarkBass imo. The flip top is an awesome idea as well and has had many compliments from sound guys and other bands on my tour. Fitting the amp to the lid proved to be a little fiddly to do on my own. I probably should have waited till someone else was around, but I was impatient and wanted to see what it looked like! Casters are also a very nice addition. I hadn't had any gear with casters before and they just make it a lot easier to move it around, providing the surface is flat. As soon as there are any medium sized bumps, the thing will stop. Side handles would also be nice. While I do understand why they were omitted, they would make carrying it a little bit easier. The top handle is only good for short lifts. Bear hug it or use the casters if you want it to go any sort of distance.

The finish of the cab is really pretty. I love the black diamond tolex. But I will say this: It marks very easily! Mine has lots of little dings and scuffs from just 5 1/2 weeks without cover from just loading in my car with minimal other gear before the tour. I know that Ampeg haven't released a cover for the cabs yet, so if you're planning on shoving it in a van with lots of other gear, get one custom made! I got mine from:

AmplifierCoversOnline.Com

They're really good there. I gave them the dimensions and they made it up in a few days, delivered just in time for my first gig of the tour. (I'm really bad at ordering things in advance…)

Sound
As already mentioned, I liked the original sound on it's own, but it was a little bright. The tweeter didn't seem to be having a massive effect on it though. I can safely say that it is much warmer now. The speakers have burnt in nicely and I have found that it fits in my band situation exceptionally well. For my Mustang, I tend to the run the controls as follows:

Compression: Off
Gain: 1:30
Bass: 2:30
Mid: 9:30 - Position 3
Treble: 10:00
Master: 10:00-12:00 (depending upon the situation)
Tweeter: Off

It sounds really nice like this with my gear in my opinion. The drivers have enough high end with the tweeter off and like this it sits well in my band where there's also a cello to compete with. I don't want to invade the sonic space of that particularly, so dialling the highs down a bit works wonders. The compressor is also really nice. I haven't experienced one not in the studio before and it is a nice option. However, with my current band, I don't think that it's for me. We tend to go as quiet as a whisper then to full fuzz strummed bass chords (think Mogwai, Explosions in the Sky, Sigur Ros). I'm getting really rather good at controlling the dynamics of quieter parts and my Bass Big Muff does a good job compressing my signal when I get super loud. Also, with these settings, when I dig in with my fingers a little the clipping light comes on slightly and you get that warm edge to it. Then if I really dig in with a pick it becomes a lot warmer and really doesn't sound dissimilar to a tube amp imo. My band also really like my tone now. Just before our first practice with it, my band mates were kinda wondering why I had gone and bought a new amp. They thought my MarkBass was good enough. Then when it came to a loud practice they finally understood! It just sits really nicely!

The DI on this amp is also really nice. The -40dB pad is essential if the gain is around the so-called "sweet spot". It can be super hot. A nice feature might have been a DI output level control, but this'll do the trick. As previously mentioned, we use in ear monitors in my band because we have to listen to a click as the guitarist is looping live. Through my in ears (ME Electronics M6), the amp sits really well in our mix and I was actually able to hear myself a LOT better than when using my old MarkBass. I think it's the slight overdrive you get from the amp. It really helps to bring out a few harmonics that are (for me at least) really important in picking yourself out.

Overall
After having lived with the amp for a two week gigging schedule, I'm mightily impressed. The sound is solid and the controls don't get moved if you flip the lid! It's also plenty loud enough for me. I normally play venues that are about 75-150 capacity and I always have PA support. But even in band practice, I get told to turn it down if the volume knob is getting close to midday!

If you're looking to get one or both of these products I'd say don't hesitate :P My only advice would be to get a cover, or else your tolex will get ruined!

Hope you guys enjoyed this and it I also hope that it has been useful for someone/anyone!

Cheers,
Mike
 
Good review. And yes, absolutely get a cover. I got lucky because I already had B-15 covers I got from Fliptops and they fit. Ampeg is coming out with covers soon, but you should definitely keep it covered if you're going to travel with it.
 
Hey guys, first post here!

I'm really interested in this amp and cab but there's just a few questions I'd like to ask. I've trawled through the first thread and skimmed through this but would just like some clarification on a few notes.

A little bit of background, I'm currently playing in a trashy, raw, punk rock n roll 3 piece and I'm in need of a new head. I like my sound to be raunchy and growly. I play with a pick and pretty hard. There's no vids on youtube of people playing this amp with a pick and I'm just wondering will this give me the sound I'm looking for? Think Duff McKagan but with less 'clankyness' and more mid growl. I realise this is a pretty vague description but any help would be greatly appreciated.

My other question is about the cab. Is the the general opinion that this head should only be paired with the matching cabs? To be honest, the cabs are a little expensive here in the UK and getting one of those Avatar cabs over here seems a bit too pricey too. If not, could I get a few recommendations to look into that are a tad cheaper?

And finally, in practise I'm competing with a 100w Marshall Vintage modern and a 4x12, is this thing loud enough with a 2x10 or 1x15 without it cutting out? For gigs I'd DI it but I'm just thinking for practise that it'd save me hauling a 4x10 around. If it's loud enough with a 2x10 for gigs I'd be even happier.

Thanks chaps.
 
A little bit of background, I'm currently playing in a trashy, raw, punk rock n roll 3 piece and I'm in need of a new head. I like my sound to be raunchy and growly. I play with a pick and pretty hard. There's no vids on youtube of people playing this amp with a pick and I'm just wondering will this give me the sound I'm looking for? Think Duff McKagan but with less 'clankyness' and more mid growl. I realise this is a pretty vague description but any help would be greatly appreciated.
Yep. It won't do full-on heavy tube distortion, but it does a great mild but noticeable grind when you crank the gain.

My other question is about the cab. Is the the general opinion that this head should only be paired with the matching cabs? To be honest, the cabs are a little expensive here in the UK and getting one of those Avatar cabs over here seems a bit too pricey too. If not, could I get a few recommendations to look into that are a tad cheaper?
No ;)

Any good head will work with any good cab. It sounds wonderful with the PF cabs but also will sound great in any quality cab. It's all about your tastes after that.

And finally, in practise I'm competing with a 100w Marshall Vintage modern and a 4x12, is this thing loud enough with a 2x10 or 1x15 without it cutting out? For gigs I'd DI it but I'm just thinking for practise that it'd save me hauling a 4x10 around. If it's loud enough with a 2x10 for gigs I'd be even happier.

Thanks chaps.
It can get loud but it might be on the edge of not handling it for some. That varies with the situation.
 
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