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Another Church players topic-Post: amplification

#42
My progression:

MIM P w/Bill Lawrence > ART Tube Pac > Ampeg B-100R

ART Tube Channel > Carver PM-1400 > Acme B-2

Lakland 55-94D > iAmp 800 > Acme B-4 (Woa!!!)

Kinal MK-21/Dingwall AB-1 > Thunderfunk 420 (or iAmp) > Whappo Jr. (Amen!) or Tri-112L

Moved into a MUCH smaller sanctuary and have been using this (and line-out to FOH) until my series III Contra arrives (:hyper: ):
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Ken
 
#43
I use my normal rig, '74 acoustic 450, '72 ampeg svt 810
and music man 115rh. It's kick loud if I need it, but I play
at very low volume for FOH and stage volume considerations.
Dear worship leader cranks her monitor, I try not to compete.
Too many years of the sound man saying "Turn it down!"
 
#44
I'll use either my 2x10 DIY cab plus Peavey Firebass 700 head or my 2x12 Steelsound cab plus Hartke 5000. Either rig will get me what I need for tone and the sound guy adds a touch in the mains so my volume remains reasonable on stage.
 
#45
I'm blessed to be able to have several rigs available to me, but my main church rig is:

Bass: Spector NS2000/5 detuned to A-D-G-C-F, EMG DC/CS pickups and 3 band EQ

AMP: Yorkville BassMaster XS800H head
Effects: Rack - dbx 120A Subharmonic Synth-->dbx 266XL Compressor (both channels in series)-->BBE Sonic Maximizer (362) Floor (ahead of amp input) Morley Dual Bass Wah Pedal --> Ernie Ball Jr. Passive Volume Pedal

CAB: Custom Traynor 2x12 cabinet (sits vertical on top of my rolling rack case, which houses the amp head and a Furman AR-15II Power Conditioner Voltage Regulator)

When I need more oomph, I put the 2x12 on the floor and stack a Bassmaster XC808 on top..once I figure out how to compress it to less than 150 KB, I'll post a pic!

I usually face the church rig so I get a side wash for myself and the drummer (drum kit...me on the HH side...rig), then send a DI signal to the house...works really nice, we've worked out the balance...but it took three years, and four or 5 rigs to get to this point!

Edit: there's another thread with pretty much the same topic located here, perhaps the two threads should be merged? http://www.talkbass.com/forum/showthread.php?t=188804
 
#46
My church rig is an Ampeg SVT III Pro with Peavey 115 BXBW cab that I leave at church. I have a 210 TVX cab and a Nitrobass head if we play outside (good to 2 ohms). I use the DI out from the head but the FOH only uses the channel for recording, it doesn't go to the mains. My rig supplies the full auditorium (380 people max capacity) volume. The SVT III Pro has more than enough ooomph into a 4 ohm load at 12:00 gain and 1:00 main volume (the EQ / Volume Slider via footswitch adds way more kaboom than needed).

Electric guitar, drums, and bass fill the auditorium on their own and our meager PA only amplifies acoustic instruments, keyboard, and voice. It works, kinda.

I'm thinking of substituting my 115 with the 210 at church because the 210 has better definition, goes really low for a 210, is less boomy than the 115, and has a less noticeable visible presence on stage.
 
#49
I have to use the church's combo - a GK with the something 700 head and the 2x10 speakers. Sounds just OK, but most of the sound goes through the PA which is HUGE. The church seats about 1400.

I really would prefer taking my own rig, so I do that whenever I sub at another church. I use a Glockenklang HeartCore into 2x Aguilar GS112's. Sounds great!

Dan K.
 
#51
I have 2 Church gigs that i play.

1. Nightclub/Coffee shop. Worship starts at 10pm, mostly college age people. For this gig, i run my hartke 7000 head through my 2x10 and 15. I run the pre-amp gains at 12'oclock, and the main volume at 2, or 7 o'clock. Eq consists of rolling off 31 and 62hz on the graphic eq a little because the room is boomy, especialy the corner i am in. For front of house, i send a DI from my Behringer V-Amp, and simulate an SVT. Front of house chores are picked up by 2 amplifiers biamping 2)18" subs, and 4) 15" two way cabinets, all yorkville.

2. Typical church setup. We have 2 15" 3-ways for front of house speakers in the center above the stage spreading outward, 2) 15" 2 ways on the stage pointed straight back, and 2) 18" sub's The subs share 3000 watts, the top cabinets share 2400 watts with the other stage speakers.

For this gig, i use a 15" monitor and i get my own mix, heavy in the bass and accoustic/guitars. I run my bass from my Behringer V-amp, and basicaly set up a nice warm pre-amp with that, while pumping the lows up. This room can get boomy, but its never my concern because the FOH guys get me nice and punchy. My MM bass never fails me in that regard.
 
#52
I run my SWR Grand Prix out to the main board. Currently I also power a 15" PA wedge for my own personal monitor, but we are getting in-ear monitors and personal mixers, so I will soon just be going direct out of the Grand Prix. Our church has 3 services with over 900 people at each service and we meet in a gymnasium/multi-purpose building, so we have all sorts of trouble with bass frequencies building up in weird places. That's why we're going to the in-ear system. We also use aluminum risers and set the whole stage, and I've found that those things really screw up the bass sound coming out of a cabinet. They make the bass really loud in the house (and indecipherable) while you can't hear yourself 3 feet away...

Anyway, long answer to a short question.
 
#54
I just sold my head GK700rbi,because it was too much for our services.

I'm thinking about a GK microbass MB150s-III because I like the lighter weight and still keep that GK sound.I don't know how it will work with my GS112, will I over work this head ?
Since I DI the head all I really need is a wee-bit of sound on stage.
 
#56
Hawkeye said:
I know I'm not supposed to, but I feel covetousness and envy right now. Oh, hear my cry, Deliver me from the hands of the "happy amateurs".
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As someone who is at the cusp of entering the ministry..if they don't have it, teach them. Happy and motivated is a great place to start. Spend some weekends teaching them and they will soon no longer be amateurs!
 
#58
fralim01 said:
As someone who is at the cusp of entering the ministry..if they don't have it, teach them. Happy and motivated is a great place to start. Spend some weekends teaching them and they will soon no longer be amateurs!
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My son-in-law is the worship leader on staff at our church and I know he has spent, and continues to spend, a lot of group and one-on-one time with the AV volunteers. As you well know, mixing is a much an art as well as requiring the mastering of the technology. There is a considerable learning curve involved with this stuff and some are just at the beginning of that curve. Plus, some have an ear and... some don't.

I give input with respect to things like appropriate mics for applications, subwoofer cut-off frequencies, monitor / mains placement, when to use and not use EFX, how to cut freqs first and not boost, that sort of thing but I'm just an amateur at this too. Unfortunately our church places no fiscal priority on the worship team and the sound system. The budget for AV in this fiscal year was $0 if you can believe it. My son-in-law had to go and make his own breakout boxes out of wood and scrounged connectors and solder his own snakes to get additional channels to the board. I applaud his initiative.

I may be somewhat knowledgeable about some technical things but recognize that I'm also an amateur at this FOH/PA thing. It would be extremely useful to contract the services of a professional who could advise us on a cost-effective upgrade program for mains, monitoring, acoustical treatment etc.

We have a beautiful new building with a big mortgage and crappy sound because the elders board won't spend any money to upgrade. We only got a new mixing board because the previous low end, no-name piece of junk failed. That was a blessing as even a budget-priced mixer like our Yamaha MG32/14 has been a big upgrade.

As you can tell from the venting of my spleen here, it's a subject that has me a bit vexed. Our church has no short or long-term plan to get the sound system to where it needs to be in even a basic sense.

The congregation offers a lot of positive feedback about the music program and folks even say how they've been attracted to our church because of the music and I'm thankful for that. I would really like to do a more professional job though, and if our leadership says the music ministry is important they should back that up with even a meager capital budget.

Egads, even a maintenance budget would be nice, we can't even replace a cord or mic at this point without digging into our own pockets. All the upgrades done to our drum set were paid for by the other drummer and myself. Good skins and Zildjian Custom "A's" arent' cheap. The church would not supply an amp and I bought a bass rig to leave at church so that the other bassist (a student) and the youth would have something to use and the church won't even insure it. If individual worship team members didn't chip in, we would have no upgrades at all. We're considering recording a CD and selling it to make money for equipment. I have a growing SONAR-based home studio and our drummer has a very professionally-outfitted Cubase recording setup, so we could probably cut some decent tracks for virtually no bucks spent on studio time.

Anyway, I feel good and vented, and am glad that there are some "happy amateurs" on the board, who with more experience hopefully will be able to get a consistent mix from week to week without glitches.
 
#59
paulverio said:
from a yamaha billy sheehan knock-off and rage amps (sounds like AM radios) to yamaha motion b II and yorkville and fender combo to this...

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my new church rig :hyper:
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"Righteous Choice" Bro. I've been looking at that very same setup to replace my SVT II Pro / Peavey 115 BX BW.
 
#60
Hawkeye said:
I know I'm not supposed to, but I feel covetousness and envy right now. Oh, hear my cry, Deliver me from the hands of the "happy amateurs".
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Amen, brother! Amen! I'm also really struggling not to envy those of you who are playing through good PAs. . .
 

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