Anti-Smoking PSAs

[elgecko]

...also, this thread makes me want a cigarette.

If you haven't seen the movie (or read the book), check out Thank You For Smoking. It's really good!

 

[Munjibunga]

You don't think that smoking is down in adults because of the well known health problems that it causes? I have never met a smoker that quit because one of those PSA's scared him or her straight. They quit because it is common knowledge that that smoking is horrible for you.

How do you suppose the health problems became well-known?

 

[Hopkins]

How do you suppose the health problems became well-known?

It was common knowledge way before these disgusting ads came about.

 

[Pilgrim]

Oh hell, anyone with two brain cells rubbing together has known since the 60's that science knew smoking was bad for you. It was known well before that - in the 30's and 40's cigarettes were colloquially called "coffin nails," and it wasn't a joke - we knew you were putting nails in your coffin by smoking. People denied it, but people deny anything - they simply ignore reality and lie. Some people deny it today, but they're being stupid and self-deluding, and we all know it.

I was born in 1950 and I've lived through the whole process of formal recognition of tobacco as a health threat. The tobacco industry fought tooth and nail to keep science at bay - they bought their own scientists and "research," they bought legislators (congressmen and senators) and in the end the evidence was too much.

If you smoke today, it's because you want to. And you know it's bad for you. The reason you smoke is either that you're addicted, self-destructive, being a rebel, or in some cases, all three.

 

[Munjibunga]

It was common knowledge way before these disgusting ads came about.

Perhaps, but I have to believe that many people who were on the fence got that little "push over the cliff" by the ads.

 

[Pilgrim]

Perhaps, but I have to believe that many people who were on the fence got that little "push over the cliff" by the ads.

Exactly. When people do not want to understand or accept a message, it takes thousands of repetitions to make a dent.

 

[Joe Nerve]

If you smoke today, it's because you want to. And you know it's bad for you. The reason you smoke is either that you're addicted, self-destructive, being a rebel, or in some cases, all three.

You left out stupid.

 

[ErebusBass]

Because, the evidence is indicating that e-cigs have significant negative effects on their users and bystanders. There hasn't been enough research completed and properly analyzed to say so definitively, but what has been done is pointing that way.

BTW, the only issue I have with raising the taxes on these things is the encouragement it provides to criminal activity.

Could you please cite your source? I've seen no conclusive evidence either way, I would love to see the studies you are talking about.

 

[Smooth_bass88]

Smok

Every since I lost one 'o my lungs, I cut my smoking in half!

Cheech and Chong baby, the wedding album. A classic!!

 

[Tom Lane]

Could you please cite your source? I've seen no conclusive evidence either way, I would love to see the studies you are talking about.

I'll take a Look when I get a moment. They were news stories the past two or three years. I think you'll find them with a quick search.

 

[skychief]

Okay.. Smoking bad. 10-4. Roger. We get it.

Whats troubling me is the formaldehyde content in 'vaping' smoke.

Im reading the ingredients on my vape-oil.

"Propelene Glycol (anti-freeze), Glycerin, & Artificial Flavors"

Nowhere does it include (or imply) formaldehyde.

William Tango Foxtrot?

 

[elgecko]

Okay.. Smoking bad. 10-4. Roger. We get it.

Whats troubling me is the formaldehyde content in 'vaping' smoke.

Im reading the ingredients on my vape-oil.

"Propelene Glycol (anti-freeze), Glycerin, & Artificial Flavors"

Nowhere does it include (or imply) formaldehyde.

William Tango Foxtrot?

Ethylene glycol is antifreeze, not propylene glycol. Different stuff.

From the "formaldehyde" study:

At low voltage (3.3 V), we did not detect the formation of any formaldehyde-releasing agents (estimated limit of detection, approximately 0.1 μg per 10 puffs). At high voltage (5.0 V), a mean (±SE) of 380±90 μg per sample (10 puffs) of formaldehyde was detected as formaldehyde-releasing agents. Extrapolating from the results at high voltage, an e-cigarette user vaping at a rate of 3 ml per day would inhale 14.4±3.3 mg of formaldehyde per day in formaldehyde-releasing agents.

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Nobody vapes at 5.0 volts

 

[Joe Nerve]

While I understand the desire (and need) for scientific proof, vaping to me seems intuitively wrong. And I have a suspicion that anyone doing it, or thinking about doing it has the same gut feeling as I do. Sadly, we're probably not going to know the truth for another 20 years. I'm not a gambling man, but I'd have no problem putting lots of money on this vaping thing not turning out good.

 

[spade2you]

I don't think commercials will make much of a difference. People who smoke typically have addictive personalities and typically can't quit.

Smokers tend to be a bit of a tax drain with regards to health care. Keep in mind that Big Pharma wouldn't be advertising COPD meds if it weren't for smokers.

 

[96tbird]

While I understand the desire (and need) for scientific proof, vaping to me seems intuitively wrong. And I have a suspicion that anyone doing it, or thinking about doing it has the same gut feeling as I do. Sadly, we're probably not going to know the truth for another 20 years. I'm not a gambling man, but I'd have no problem putting lots of money on this vaping thing not turning out good.

then theatrical fog is wrong. You can buy nicotine gum without a scrip. Vape is simply a different nicotine delivery mech. Prescription nic inhalers use the same liquid as a carrier. Soft cookies and breakfast bars use the same liquid to keep them soft.

Vaping eliminates the combusted toxins in smoke. It isn't smoke. It isn't combustion. It's boiling off vapor from a liquid. If you vape at a voltage where combustion takes place, it tastes like the worst thing you ever tasted. The testing didn't mention that if test subjects actually vape at that voltage, it is so unpalatable that they just wouldn't do it. The machines they used to capture the vapor don't have the ability to taste anything and reject it based on taste.

You can combust chocolate cake and get carcinogens.

You eat smoked BBQ and you're taking your health in your own hands. BBQ bark is lethal.

 

[Knavery]

Not me. If they can persuade kids not to smoke, or a smoker to stop, more power to them, and let's raise the tax on cigs, e-cigs, and chaw while we're at it.

Why e-cigs if I may ask? People that are trying to make an effort to get off cigarettes shouldn't be subjected to the high tax of tobacco products which it is not...

 

[ErebusBass]

Why e-cigs if I may ask? People that are trying to make an effort to get off cigarettes shouldn't be subjected to the high tax of tobacco products which it is not...

It might possibly be bad for you. We should tax it excessively even though we don't know for sure if its bad for you or not.

 

[Joe Nerve]

then theatrical fog is wrong. You can buy nicotine gum without a scrip. Vape is simply a different nicotine delivery mech. Prescription nic inhalers use the same liquid as a carrier. Soft cookies and breakfast bars use the same liquid to keep them soft.

Vaping eliminates the combusted toxins in smoke. It isn't smoke. It isn't combustion. It's boiling off vapor from a liquid. If you vape at a voltage where combustion takes place, it tastes like the worst thing you ever tasted. The testing didn't mention that if test subjects actually vape at that voltage, it is so unpalatable that they just wouldn't do it. The machines they used to capture the vapor don't have the ability to taste anything and reject it based on taste.

You can combust chocolate cake and get carcinogens.

You eat smoked BBQ and you're taking your health in your own hands. BBQ bark is lethal.

I don't suck on fog machines as a habit, don't eat breakfast bars or soft cookies because I've educated myself and realize that they are in fact a lot more harmful to our health than most people know or believe, and I dont eat barbecued foods. Or meat for that matter. And at age 54 I'm in the best shape of my life. And in perfect health.

Oh yeah, pretty sure nicotine is a poison too. Otherwise there wouldn't be such a thing as nicotine poisoning.

I'm not telling anyone to do or not do anything. Just stating my opinions, a little bit of fact, and talking about me.

 

[ChrisB2]

No doubt your point is valid. Just like allergies to MSG and gluten, but studies are indicating that e-cigs are similar to cigs in terms of health consequences. Time will tell.

You seem to be saying that gluten allergies are imagined... not sure if you're being serious or facetious, but gluten allergy is real and no joke. I realize that going "gluten free" is a fad, it's cool, it's even considered some sort of "diet" but the REAL gluten allergy, celiac disease, is not psychological, it's a serious allergy and it sucks. It causes pain, discomfort, and digestive problems like constipation and diarrhea. Unchecked it can cause extreme malnutrition over time. Gluten damages the small intestines of people with celiac disease eventually causing a loss of ability to uptake nutrients.

My wife, daughter, and sister in law all have been clinically diagnosed with it and it is definitely not merely psychological. People don't realize it, but gluten is in all kinds of food and eliminating it from your diet really sucks.

Say goodbye to "real" bread of all kinds, pizza, pasta, cake, cookies, pie, beer, root beer, and TONS of other foods you would never imagine would contain it. Sure they make gluten-free alternatives; you like bread? Press some dirt into the shape of a slice of bread, that's what gluten free bread tastes like. I've tried it.

My wife reads every label and has to be very careful when eating out to avoid even a trace, because since she has switched to a completely gluten-free diet (about 8 years ago) she is more sensitive to it than ever.

She practically lives on eggs...

 

[macaroni tony]

I don't suck on fog machines as a habit, don't eat breakfast bars or soft cookies because I've educated myself and realize that they are in fact a lot more harmful to our health than most people know or believe, and I dont eat barbecued foods. Or meat for that matter. And at age 54 I'm in the best shape of my life. And in perfect health.

Oh yeah, pretty sure nicotine is a poison too. Otherwise there wouldn't be such a thing as nicotine poisoning.

I'm not telling anyone to do or not do anything. Just stating my opinions, a little bit of fact, and talking about me.

Joe, I am at work so don't have time to look into it; will you please in a nutshell tell me what's the deal with breakfast bars? I"ve never heard such a thing so if I should find a suitable substitute for nutri-grain bars and the like I'd like to know