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Anyone else just HATE Apple?

#101
iamlowsound said:
My macbook is a year and a half old, I see no reason to upgrade it at all. My dad's IBM laptop has way better everything, but I can boot up, check my email and have my computer shut off before he even has his booted up. He has also added more RAM twice since he got it and it is still way slower. I don't take my computer apart to upgrade it because it doesn't need to be upgraded. I know someone with an old Apple G5 that has never been upgraded that runs faster than any other computer that I have ever seen. Also, if I needed it, I could take my macbook apart and put in more RAM if I wanted to. It isn't that hard.

lowsound
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I'm not quite sure I buy the "no need to upgrade a Mac" argument. If I bought a Mac 7 years ago with the same specs as the PC I bought then--including 128K RAM--I find it quite difficult to believe I wouldn't have had to upgrade it as I did my PC a few years later. And of course, the Mac would have cost more, and apparently, the upgrade would have been more difficult to perform. Believe me, I'm an idiot when it comes to working on computers, and upgrading the PC was incredibly easy.

And yes, I'm still using that PC now, and I've never had a major issue. Though I'm going to have to buy a new one next year.
 
#102
GregC said:
I'm not quite sure I buy the "no need to upgrade a Mac" argument. If I bought a Mac 7 years ago with the same specs as the PC I bought then--including 128K RAM--I find it quite difficult to believe I wouldn't have had to upgrade it as I did my PC a few years later. And of course, the Mac would have cost more, and apparently, the upgrade would have been more difficult to perform. Believe me, I'm an idiot when it comes to working on computers, and upgrading the PC was incredibly easy.

And yes, I'm still using that PC now, and I've never had a major issue. Though I'm going to have to buy a new one next year.
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It's always been easy to upgrade stuff like RAM and hard drives in a Mac. Plug them in and go. Motherboards and processors are another matter. This is deliberate on Apple's part though - not to frustrate the more advanced user who likes to tinker, more to make life easier for the less advanced user who just wants things to work. With Apple controlling both the hardware and the software, one is made to work specifically with the other. None of the PC user's worry about having the correct drivers, BIOS settings and so on. Yes, a 7-year-old Mac will pretty much be obsolete now, but so will a 7-year-old PC - good luck installing XP on a machine like that.

The more advanced Mac users out there will either have a Mac Pro / Power Mac (endlessly tweakable), or a Hackintosh (PC bodged to run OS X). Going the Hackintosh route necessitates custom motherboard, graphics, sound, network, wireless, USB, SATA/IDE and various other drivers though, but there's a strong community based around it, if that's your thing. Most of the drivers are re-engineered from open-source Linux drivers for the same hardware.
 
#104
Rusty Chainsaw said:
It's always been easy to upgrade stuff like RAM and hard drives in a Mac. Plug them in and go. Motherboards and processors are another matter. This is deliberate on Apple's part though - not to frustrate the more advanced user who likes to tinker, more to make life easier for the less advanced user who just wants things to work. With Apple controlling both the hardware and the software, one is made to work specifically with the other. None of the PC user's worry about having the correct drivers, BIOS settings and so on. Yes, a 7-year-old Mac will pretty much be obsolete now, but so will a 7-year-old PC - good luck installing XP on a machine like that.

The more advanced Mac users out there will either have a Mac Pro / Power Mac (endlessly tweakable), or a Hackintosh (PC bodged to run OS X). Going the Hackintosh route necessitates custom motherboard, graphics, sound, network, wireless, USB, SATA/IDE and various other drivers though, but there's a strong community based around it, if that's your thing. Most of the drivers are re-engineered from open-source Linux drivers for the same hardware.
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Thanks for the explanation on Mac upgrades, I appreciate it.:) I don't see myself falling into the advanced user category anytime soon.

Oh, but I've been running XP since I upgraded 3 years ago.:D
 
#106
ADbassman said:
True. That's why I installed Linux on a 9 year old machine.
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You can also install Link Removed on older PowerPC Macs - same difference.

I had an old PowerPC "Pismo" Powerbook (the old black ones) up until recently, 333MHz, 256MB RAM, 10GB HD, and it ran OS X Tiger just fine. For browsing, email, etc it was perfectly serviceable, and worked great as a second machine.
 
#107
GregC said:
Thanks for the explanation on Mac upgrades, I appreciate it.:) I don't see myself falling into the advanced user category anytime soon.

Oh, but I've been running XP since I upgraded 3 years ago.:D
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Without the upgrade, you'd have been stuffed though. :D

You can run anything up to OS X Tiger on more or less any old PowerPC-based Mac as long as you've upgraded the RAM to at least 256MB and have 5GB of free hard drive space... the latest release, Leopard, probably won't work. It needs 512MB and a minimum of an 866MHz PowerPC processor to work (therefore, it'll work on anything from 2G iMacs/eMacs and Titanium Powerbooks upwards).
 
#114
Rusty Chainsaw said:
Never need to worry about drivers, viruses, compatability issues, stability - as Apple rightly states, it just works. :)
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Except when it doesn't.... y'know :smug:

You guys just like to look the other way in those cases.

To give an example here, my roommate has an M-Audio recording box for his Mac. That's fine and dandy, but he was telling me how he was upset because Mac was doing upgrades (I guess to a new firmware or something? I really have no clue). But the point being, that the software for his M-Audio kit wouldn't upgrade because Mac didn't tell the Manufacturer and so 2 weeks or so later he is still waiting for the update to come out. He can't even use his program until then, so he says.

Now granted that is all true, it is pretty crappy IMO. :hmm:
 
#115
I love Mac's products. I have found them to be much more reliable and easier to use than any PC. I hate PC!!! But my kids and my husband are gamers, and they love the PC games...so we have a freakin', P.O.S., Has-Problems-All-The-Time PC. Even worse, it is a Vista machine. So, now I have to go buy XP software and get rid of the stupid Vista. More money down the tubes! I wish we had never bought this horrible piece of go-se.

The only problem I have with Mac is price. If not for the high price, I would have my own Mac, and let my family mess with the stupid PC.

Cherie
 
#118
Sonic_Death said:
Except when it doesn't.... y'know :smug:

You guys just like to look the other way in those cases.

To give an example here, my roommate has an M-Audio recording box for his Mac. That's fine and dandy, but he was telling me how he was upset because Mac was doing upgrades (I guess to a new firmware or something? I really have no clue). But the point being, that the software for his M-Audio kit wouldn't upgrade because Mac didn't tell the Manufacturer and so 2 weeks or so later he is still waiting for the update to come out. He can't even use his program until then, so he says.

Now granted that is all true, it is pretty crappy IMO. :hmm:
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the MAC/recording industry issue is a whole other monster but is not unusual... we run macs in our recording rooms and it's simply a case of management. Pro-tools is always upgrading and improving, so are the plug-ins, so are the modules, etc etc etc... you learn the lesson very quickly that you don't upgrade anything until everyone has caught up about a month later, it's pretty simple really.

Of course it costs money but so does running every business. We've learned also that when you do upgrade, you get the old stuff on ebay right away to get the best value for it. Some kid somewhere wants your old cared for 888's, apogee's and G5 for his basement studio and he'll pay for it.
 
#119
Install itunes on a PC and it= 45 minutes of fussing and assigning proper folders/destinations and getting it to recognize the damn ipod in the first place.

Install it on a mac = 2 minutes before it finds every mp3 on your hard drive and adds them seamlessly to your library.


There is nothing wrong with a PC, and the operating systems are all reasonably intuitive and stable at this point.

The diff is PC stuff is written by unregulated millions of coders, while mac stuff is written by a select few with strict guidelines for compatibility.

I posted this thought in the last thread which for some reason was deleted and not just closed.

The result is a nightmare for PC users and an unwarranted snotty tude from the Mac people.

If the PC coders had to obey the same nazi-esque regiments of the mac coders we'd all be talking like: "hey, remember back when Apple made computers and not just ipods?"

Until a PC on my desk holds stable and runs/installs EVERYTHING flawlessly like my Macs, threads like this will keep popping up. Yes a carefully crafted maintained PC can be just as fancy and idiot proof as a Mac, but I still prefer all of that nonsense done for me.

This is sure gonna be an interesting year or two as the bigs like Adobe/Macromedia/DigiDesign etc are all scrambling to optimize usage of the hybrid intel/mac quad core paradigm. Usually the software is ahead of the hardware cart, but in this case the coders are a few years behiond the capabilities of the new generation of chips installed in multi-processor boxes.

And, until that day, I will gladly keep spending the extra thousand dollars on another Mac.
 

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