anyone here straight edge?

[kserg]

+ 1000

I never understood the "I don't do drugs, and I never will. But I will occasionally have a few drinks" mentality. The hypocracy level is quite high.

You don't understand it because you don't understand that a single word can have 2 different meanings? For example, you do understand that if one is talking about Aliens coming into our country he is talking about immigrants, not green people from out of space. Right? It's all in context, some words have more then one meaning...

Here, example for you...

"A Dr. told me to go to the drug store and buy some Tylenol."
"I went to a drug dealer and bought some good tasty crack."

Do you recognize that there is a different meanings between these words? Yes, one refers to legal substance, other refers to illegal...

Basically what i am saying here BB is you don't understand it not because you really don't but because you don't want to (or act like you don't for demonstration). You have to understand from context that this person is using word "drug" in terms of "illegal substance", not in terms of Tylanol or legal substance (coffee, alcohol, etc). It doesn't mean that this person is against taking Tylenol, or herpes medicine, it means he does not do what is not allowed, what is not illegal but has no problem with doing something that is legal.

This freaken thing comes up everytime, and everytime it seems like people saying it (usually same people) really do understand but just want to make an argument out of nothing.

In case anyone STILL don't get it or still want to act like they don't...

When a teacher tells you to face the board, do you go up to the board and hit it with your face?

If still don't get it, let me show you guys in pictures...

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What are those things? yes... When i ask you to pass me some nails, please don't rip your nails out and bring them to me...

I hope i was helpful...

 

[Komakino]

Wrong.

A narcodic is an illegal drug.
Alcohol use is drug use.
And someone who drinks alcohol while demonizing "narcodics" is still a hypocrite.

"It's ok to get completly ****ed up on that substance, but not that substance over there, because the government says it's bad"

No, it's right. It's only wrong when you use your particularly conservative definition of 'drug'. Most of the population would use the definition I gave.

 

[Sundogue]

Well, some will choose not to do drugs because they are illegal. Some will choose not to do drugs because they are bad for your body.

Not the same thing.

One can say, "I will not do illegal things, because it's wrong." That would include illegal drugs.

One can say, "I will not do drugs because they are harmful to my body." That would include illegal drugs. But because the statement includes "harmful to my body" then it would be hypocritical if they also continued to use legal drugs, as well as caffeine, nicotine and alcohol, as well as Big Mac's, foods with artificial food coloring (some are pesticides), and other non-healthy choices.

Exactly what is it that "Straight Edge" people are proclaiming?

 

[vindy500]

a bit of alcohol (i.e a glass of wine) is good for your body

 

[Bad Brains]

I have my AP style book sitting right here, lets take a look shall we, I will sum it up shortley.

"All narcodics are drugs, all drugs are not narcodics.
A drug is used as medicine in the treatment of diseases or illness.
Narcodics are usually catigorized as a group of sense-dulling, usually addictive drugs". (Does alcohol fit into that description? Does cocaine? Does marijuana? Does estacy?)

Alcohol is no different than any other "narcodic".

Perhaps some of you people should be saying "I only use and accept dangerous narcodics our goverment allows us to abuse legally, because I respect the law. Those narcodics the law doesn't allow us to use are evil and bad for you......", to avoid further confusion.

 

[vindy500]

maybe you should stop being argumentative for the sake of being argumentative?

 

[Bad Brains]

No way. I like to argue. It's fun and keeps the board interesting.

 

[Komakino]

I have my AP style book sitting right here, lets take a look shall we, I will sum it up shortley.

"All narcodics are drugs, all drugs are not narcodics.
A drug is used as medicine in the treatment of diseases or illness.
Narcodics are usually catigorized as a group of sense-dulling, usually addictive drugs". (Does alcohol fit into that description? Does cocaine? Does marijuana? Does estacy?)

Alcohol is no different than any other "narcodic".

Perhaps some of you people should be saying "I only use and accept dangerous narcodics our goverment allows us to abuse legally, because I respect the law. Those narcodics the law doesn't allow us to use are evil and bad for you......", to avoid further confusion.

Yes, if it makes you happy we'll quantify everything we say with totally unambiguous terms that any idiot could understand. We really hoped we wouldn't need to, but apparently you require it.

You know perfectly well what people are talking about, you're just being anal. Grow up.

 

[Stay Gold 1337]

haha i never thought this thread would get this big. i mostly thought it would get ignored.

How many of you have Talkbass t-shirts?

You get the idea of my post. sXe is just another way of fitting in with like-minded individuals... while we go to concerts and join clubs and have drinking parties...

I'll agree that I don't like the idea of edge guys pushing their beliefs onto other (or extremists beating up non-edge dudes), but I definitely find nothing wrong with advertising what you're a part of.

To me, it's like wearing a band t-shirt.

+1000
i totally agree with that. that is what it's all about for me. it's fun to hang out with people who have common interests. just like i'm sure it's fun to go to the bar and throw back a few cold ones, it's fun for my friends and i to not throw back a few. 'to each his own' definatly applies here, as it's impossible, and stupid to think, that everyone would want to be like me. anyways i'm glad i could stimulate all this discussion amongst you guys. party on!

 

[Bad Brains]

Alright, to set it all straight, people need to be more specific on where they stand, because this can get confusing, and it can go in different ways. Because I’m getting confused reading through this thread.

When someone says "I don't do drugs, but I do drink", they inadvertently give the impression that they are distinguishing alcohol away from all the other mind-altering substances, which is a fallacy. It completely contradicts their original statement, and gives the impression that they think one is ok while the others aren't (hypocrisy). Either you agree with the concept of mind altering substances, or you don’t. No grey area.

If they come out and say from the start, "I don't do illegal drugs, but I will enjoy a drink (which is legal)", it makes more sense. It also eliminates the hypocrisy element because they are acknowledging that the reason they don't partake or agree in the use of other substances is simply because of the illegal factor only. And there is nothing wrong with obeying the law. The health risks involved are usually not a concern here, just the law.

 

[Bad Brains]

Yes, if it makes you happy we'll quantify everything we say with totally unambiguous terms that any idiot could understand. We really hoped we wouldn't need to, but apparently you require it.

You know perfectly well what people are talking about, you're just being anal. Grow up.

No, obviously I don't. Seems to me like some of these people don't quite understand what they are saying.

May I suggest you don't become a lawyer. That "we'll quantify everything we say with totally unambiguous terms that any idiot could understand" attitude wouldn't go over well in a courtroom.

 

[Komakino]

No, obviously I don't. Seems to me like some of these people don't quite understand what they are saying.

May I suggest you don't become a lawyer. That "we'll quantify everything we say with totally unambiguous terms that any idiot could understand" attitude wouldn't go over well in a courtroom.

Why on earth would I want to be a laywer? I'm a teacher Most judges would have told you to get on with it by now, all your "I think people need to clarify...blah...blah...blah"...throughout the entire argument you're the only person who seems to need to specify exactly what people mean by drugs. Every other person on here has understood from the word go that drugs = illegal drugs (in this context).

Might I suggest you do become a lawyer - their anal attitude to everything is legendary. They're also universally loathed.

Oh, and we don't have lawyers in this country.

 

[Bad Brains]

Every other person on here has understood from the word go that drugs = illegal drugs (in this context).

Might I suggest you do become a lawyer - their anal attitude to everything is legendary. They're also universally loathed.

Oh, and we don't have lawyers in this country.

Drugs do not = illegal drugs.

And even if they did in this context, it still wound't matter. Being "straight-edge" would mean no drugs period, legal or illegal.

 

[soulgeezer]

Errr, get your facts straight. Malcom McLaren invented punk rock with the Sex Pistols as far as I'm concerned. They may have made the Sex Pistols 1 year after The Ramones, but McLaren still created punk rock before that IMHO.

McLaren also created the NY Dolls. However, they were "proto-punk," like the Stooges. The Ramones were the first band to call themselves "punk."

By the way, the phrases "get your facts straight" and "as far as I'm concerned" directly contradict each other. You should probably avoid using them in the same sentence.

 

[jucas]

I have my AP style book sitting right here, lets take a look shall we, I will sum it up shortley.

"All narcodics are drugs, all drugs are not narcodics.
A drug is used as medicine in the treatment of diseases or illness.
Narcodics are usually catigorized as a group of sense-dulling, usually addictive drugs". (Does alcohol fit into that description? Does cocaine? Does marijuana? Does estacy?)

Alcohol is no different than any other "narcodic".

Perhaps some of you people should be saying "I only use and accept dangerous narcodics our goverment allows us to abuse legally, because I respect the law. Those narcodics the law doesn't allow us to use are evil and bad for you......", to avoid further confusion.

Just to point out, using the term narcotics can refer to a variety of things, just like the term drugs can. As far as I remember, the term was originally applied specificaly to opioids (or was it opiates... not important either way). If you're using it in a legal sense, I think it can refer to almost any controlled substance (ie including cocaine which is almost the opposite of a narcotic in the traditional sense). The definition you give obviously includes a far larger group of drugs, but still doesn't cover lots of prescribed drugs If narcotics is ambiguous as well, why bother qualifying the statement at all. Most people will take legal prescription drugs when a dotor suggests it, and there's more reasons than health and legality to use alcohol and not other drugs.

Otherwise, as has been mentioned, one can usually determine the meaning based on the context.

 

[Visirale]

No way. I've had my sips of the alcoholic nectar, and illicit as they were, they were very enjoyable. The whole "We can party without substances" makes me laugh a little. I mean come on, you're teenagers. What are you going to do? Play video games and do madlibs?

I am soooo looking forward to my trip to Europe this summer. For a wonderful two week period, me and the booze will be legal buddies. This plus being on a trip full of graduating seniors from my school means loads of fun will be had.

Alcohol has been used throughout history to bring people together in a sociable manner. Like anything, it can be abused. But used properly and responsibly, it can have some desirable and fun effects.

I also smoke occasionally (Hookah and cigars). Hookah is just yummy period, and cigars were definitely an acquired taste. I know it's bad for me, but I'm not chain smoking (I smoke once every two or three weeks) so I know it's not so bad. It's just something I enjoy.

Life is short... might as well enjoy it (responsibly).

 

[morf]

McLaren also created the NY Dolls. However, they were "proto-punk," like the Stooges. The Ramones were the first band to call themselves "punk."

By the way, the phrases "get your facts straight" and "as far as I'm concerned" directly contradict each other. You should probably avoid using them in the same sentence.

See what defines something isnt what its called but what it IS.

And just because something is "as far as I'm concerned" doesnt mean its not a fact.

Proof of that is you think otherwise and you're wrong.

 

[kserg]

Yes, if it makes you happy we'll quantify everything we say with totally unambiguous terms that any idiot could understand. We really hoped we wouldn't need to, but apparently you require it.

You know perfectly well what people are talking about, you're just being anal. Grow up.

maybe you should stop being argumentative for the sake of being argumentative?

Hmm what i meant and much shorter, thanks buds...

No way. I like to argue. It's fun and keeps the board interesting.

Maybe, when it's not an argument about pointless crap. Argument should have some sort of intelligence behind it. When it becomes this, well, buddy, i start to feel like i am losing braincells...

Drugs do not = illegal drugs.

This is ridiculous... This is not even an argument really, it's a pissing contest on who can be more "anal".

You win, thank you for quoting a "AP style book". i am audi 5000

 

[MakiSupaStar]

straight edge is for underage quitters that haven't even started trying yet

 

[Sundogue]

straight edge is for underage quitters that haven't even started trying yet

That is hilarious...and all too true!

Thanks for the laugh. That should be on a T-shirt.