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Are american men being feminized?

Are american men being feminized?

  • Yes

    Votes: 88 47.6%

  • No

    Votes: 30 16.2%

  • Kind-of

    Votes: 32 17.3%

  • Beta-carotene

    Votes: 35 18.9%
  • Total voters
    185
#141
R D Maynard said:
Cowboys, as well as most men and women up until a few generations ago, were capable of handling situations that most of us are completely unprepared for. Fixing a car, building a house, growing and preparing food, dressing a wound, defending ourselves and our families - these were all skills that the average person needed to live. The problem isn't confusion of gender identity, it's our total dependence on technology and the service economy. We manufacture very little of the goods we are offered for consumption and what we do build is often considered substandard to offshore products.

How long can a society which produces nothing but information and ways to process and present it exist? I think we're becoming Eloi.:rollno:
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I tend to agree. It seems as though the idea of the "guy's guy" is fading quickly. The John Wayne type is what I picture. Tough, self sufficient and emotionally concrete. I was reading an article on essential man skills including changing a tire, chopping wood, changing your oil, casting a fly rod ect. generally manly things. In this society these menial tasks are generally taken care of and the general image of the modern male is more feminized. Well dressed, well groomed, manicured and pleasant smelling. The day of the guy who builds his own house, fixes his own car, hunts, fishes and is generally self sufficient is replaced by the workoholic company man who's worth is determined by his car, house, phone and watch.

The thing that makes me sad is the idea of honor and principal. My dad and grandfather believed in general human decency. A handshake could seal a deal, your word was your bond and you would do things for a friend or neighbor because you were able, not because you would be rewarded. These days those things don't seem to meet a damn and few people seem concerned by these things. It seems a man is more determined by posessions than character these days. I guess character was what the word I was looking for.

In the end I believe that a man is less defined by his job, possessions ect. but by the impression left on the people that follow him. When my father is gone I'll carry on his work ethic, principals, love of family and general manly skills that should be passed on. I can work on a car, chop wood, skin an animal, catch a fish, start a fire and satisfy a woman :smug:. These things count and I feel that these are the things that make a man
 
#142
benthughes said:
I tend to agree. It seems as though the idea of the "guy's guy" is fading quickly. The John Wayne type is what I picture. Tough, self sufficient and emotionally concrete. I was reading an article on essential man skills including changing a tire, chopping wood, changing your oil, casting a fly rod ect. generally manly things. In this society these menial tasks are generally taken care of and the general image of the modern male is more feminized. Well dressed, well groomed, manicured and pleasant smelling. The day of the guy who builds his own house, fixes his own car, hunts, fishes and is generally self sufficient is replaced by the workoholic company man who's worth is determined by his car, house, phone and watch.

The thing that makes me sad is the idea of honor and principal. My dad and grandfather believed in general human decency. A handshake could seal a deal, your word was your bond and you would do things for a friend or neighbor because you were able, not because you would be rewarded. These days those things don't seem to meet a damn and few people seem concerned by these things. It seems a man is more determined by posessions than character these days. I guess character was what the word I was looking for.

In the end I believe that a man is less defined by his job, possessions ect. but by the impression left on the people that follow him. When my father is gone I'll carry on his work ethic, principals, love of family and general manly skills that should be passed on. I can work on a car, chop wood, skin an animal, catch a fish, start a fire and satisfy a woman :smug:. These things count and I feel that these are the things that make a man
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Sure. That and a pair of testicles.
 
#145
benthughes said:
I tend to agree. It seems as though the idea of the "guy's guy" is fading quickly. The John Wayne type is what I picture. Tough, self sufficient and emotionally concrete. I was reading an article on essential man skills including changing a tire, chopping wood, changing your oil, casting a fly rod ect. generally manly things. In this society these menial tasks are generally taken care of and the general image of the modern male is more feminized. Well dressed, well groomed, manicured and pleasant smelling. The day of the guy who builds his own house, fixes his own car, hunts, fishes and is generally self sufficient is replaced by the workoholic company man who's worth is determined by his car, house, phone and watch.

The thing that makes me sad is the idea of honor and principal. My dad and grandfather believed in general human decency. A handshake could seal a deal, your word was your bond and you would do things for a friend or neighbor because you were able, not because you would be rewarded. These days those things don't seem to meet a damn and few people seem concerned by these things. It seems a man is more determined by posessions than character these days. I guess character was what the word I was looking for.

In the end I believe that a man is less defined by his job, possessions ect. but by the impression left on the people that follow him. When my father is gone I'll carry on his work ethic, principals, love of family and general manly skills that should be passed on. I can work on a car, chop wood, skin an animal, catch a fish, start a fire and satisfy a woman :smug:. These things count and I feel that these are the things that make a man
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This needs to be on a wall somewhere. Much respect Ben. :bassist:
 
#146
benthughes said:
The thing that makes me sad is the idea of honor and principal. My dad and grandfather believed in general human decency. A handshake could seal a deal, your word was your bond and you would do things for a friend or neighbor because you were able, not because you would be rewarded. These days those things don't seem to meet a damn and few people seem concerned by these things. It seems a man is more determined by posessions than character these days. I guess character was what the word I was looking for.
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My neighbor helped my family start our truck just because he had the ability to do so. Some people are still friendly and considerate towards their neighbors.
 
#148
Yes, I think. Let see the advertising witch flood our live with feminine models of behavior, or emo fashion.

The girls are girls and the boys are boys, than they become men and women and the real difference is who give birth to child, not in clothes and etc.

The parents can make child to act like everything, they can make it to be a dog par exеmple, they really can, so they carry a great responsibility.
 
#151
benthughes said:
I tend to agree. It seems as though the idea of the "guy's guy" is fading quickly. The John Wayne type is what I picture. Tough, self sufficient and emotionally concrete. I was reading an article on essential man skills including changing a tire, chopping wood, changing your oil, casting a fly rod ect. generally manly things. In this society these menial tasks are generally taken care of and the general image of the modern male is more feminized. Well dressed, well groomed, manicured and pleasant smelling. The day of the guy who builds his own house, fixes his own car, hunts, fishes and is generally self sufficient is replaced by the workoholic company man who's worth is determined by his car, house, phone and watch.
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Resourceful, capable, self-sufficient people--guys, even--still have skills and develop them if and when they choose. I generally don't think of movie stars when I think of those strengths. ;)

The thing that makes me sad is the idea of honor and principal. My dad and grandfather believed in general human decency. A handshake could seal a deal, your word was your bond and you would do things for a friend or neighbor because you were able, not because you would be rewarded. These days those things don't seem to meet a damn and few people seem concerned by these things. It seems a man is more determined by posessions than character these days. I guess character was what the word I was looking for.
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Honor and principle don't make me sad. In fact, I wish more people would seek and value them.
 
#152
Honor and Principle are not gender based IMHO. All of us need to exhibit these traits. The original question - are American men being feminized? certainly deserves a positive response, but this is not just for Americans. If we go back far enough in history (not just our grandparents time - who were probably considered pampered and coddled by the seniors of their time - we can find a time where being a man was rated by prowess in hand-to-hand combat and the number of men killed. We can probably do without that type of man in our cities today. It would also not be considered manly to be a musician. So perhaps all of us have already been feminized by other people's definition of manliness.
 
#153
liela said:
The parents can make child to act like everything, they can make it to be a dog par exеmple, they really can, so they carry a great responsibility.
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That's a pretty bold analysis. Can you cite empirical evidence of that?

The "nature-nurture is a dichotomy" argument is flawed. What dictates developmental behavior is largely a sophisticated interaction between biological, social, and cognitive variables. If we could pinpoint one single causal mode of human psychological development, we could all quit worrying about it and do research on how to plug the human mind into a television so we can see images in one's mind up on the screen...or something fun like that. :D
 
#155
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The genes aren’t determining a complicated social behavior, the nature act simple. Par exemple sexuality – there is a center in your brain which is responsible to smell opposite sex, if this center is too small you can’t smell pheromones so become a gay.

This center is activating when you become a teenager and feel your sexuality, before that moment you can smell only pheromones of your own sex. That‘s why little boys usually prefer to play games with boys and parity - girls with girls.

But it has nothing common with the way they are playing games, the way they are dressing, the way they are talking – all this is a result from their upbringing.
 
#160
About the troll, talkbass is pretty much a no-hate zone. We shouldn't hate people for their opinions, just my opinion. I happen to strongly disagree with him, and think he should tone it down a bit as he is being a bit hateful, but we shouldn't say YOUR OPINION IS WRONG! I know I was a lurker and joined just to post in a thread I thought strongly about so I don't think this is a joke, or if it is, it's pretty bad. I agree with whoever said that automotive skills != manliness, manliness = what society says manliness is. I think being a good man is being a good person, which includes helping others with their car and the like.
 

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