Army to shoot live pigs for training

[ROON]

they don't operate on it, they treat it in a simulated battleground situation.

There was also no mention as to what they were doing with the carcasses afterwards either. Personally I think they probably eat them.

Sorry, I kinda figured that 'treating' a gunwound could be considered operating. Now that you point it out, it probably can't be.

 

[IconBasser]

who cares?

and since when do animals have rights? ::hides::

when Hunting I shoot to kill but these are training exorcises that could help save soldiers lives. human lives>animal suffering

I absolutely agree.

 

[TheDarkReaver]

Sorry, I kinda figured that 'treating' a gunwound could be considered operating. Now that you point it out, it probably can't be.

Well when you say operate it sounds like they take the pig into an Operating Theatre and perform surgery on it. There's a difference between treating a wound and operating on one.

 

[Tegzsa]

You would have thought that they were getting enough practice anyway.

Train the pigs to shoot back, that should liven things up a bit.

 

[ROON]

Well when you say operate it sounds like they take the pig into an Operating Theatre and perform surgery on it. There's a difference between treating a wound and operating on one.

I understand that. Just wasn't thinking straight.

 

[lowendmafia]

Please do not criticize the military if you never served in the military. I really don't care if you use bumper-sticker arguments to criticize Fox News, the President, or even the war, but do not blame this on the troops. You have no clue how the military works and why they do things until you join. I thought the I knew what it would be like before I joined, but I was dead wrong. I loved my time in the Army and wish that everyone in the country had to at least go though basic training. Also, any thing that we can do to help train soldiers for combat readiness is a good thing. Pigs have very similar skin to humans, in fact tattooists learn how to tattoo on pig skin. If I were to have had a soldier on my team that had been shot, I would have been less prepared to treat his wounds than I should have been, and that is simply unacceptable.

 

[burk48237]

If they're killing the pigs, and still operating for training I see nothing wrong with it. Although I would hope they would still make good use of the meat. Especially after the PM's lectures on wasting food.

OTOH, If they are intentionally "wounding" the animal that is certainly a form of animal cruelty and shouldn't be allowed. I don't believe in animal rights, but I don't believe in animal torture either.

 

[TheDarkReaver]

Please do not criticize the military if you never served in the military. I really don't care if you use bumper-sticker arguments to criticize Fox News, the President, or even the war, but do not blame this on the troops. You have no clue how the military works and why they do things until you join. I thought the I knew what it would be like before I joined, but I was dead wrong. I loved my time in the Army and wish that everyone in the country had to at least go though basic training. Also, any thing that we can do to help train soldiers for combat readiness is a good thing. Pigs have very similar skin to humans, in fact tattooists learn how to tattoo on pig skin. If I were to have had a soldier on my team that had been shot, I would have been less prepared to treat his wounds than I should have been, and that is simply unacceptable.

Did you get to eat the pigs afterwards?

 

[69nites]

If they're killing the pigs, and still operating for training I see nothing wrong with it. Although I would hope they would still make good use of the meat. Especially after the PM's lectures on wasting food.

OTOH, If they are intentionally "wounding" the animal that is certainly a form of animal cruelty and shouldn't be allowed. I don't believe in animal rights, but I don't believe in animal torture either.

battlefield treatment techniques for minimizing bleeding and dressing don't work on corpses. Corpses aren't pumping blood. Corpses don't have vital signs you have to monitor.

guess what we inject animals with viruses and try to make them live as long as possible too in the interest of saving human lives.

It's all the same thing....

 

[FL Knifemaker]

i simply thought it was hilarious. FOX news is nothing more than man-gossip here in the US, depending on who you ask (and you asked me, i'm assuming).
the info is not the issue, just the presentation. fair and balanced and all that...

can't vouch for its reputation in AUS.

If it's nothing more than man gossip, why is it KILLING all the other news stations in the ratings?? Don't hold the fact that they have HAWT anchors and reporters against them

 

[69nites]

If it's nothing more than man gossip, why is it KILLING all the other news stations in the ratings?? Don't hold the fact that they have HAWT anchors and reporters against them

now I know that you know that ratings don't equate to quality.

I don't trust any politically motivated news station as far as I can throw it.

 

[ROON]

If they're killing the pigs, and still operating for training I see nothing wrong with it. Although I would hope they would still make good use of the meat. Especially after the PM's lectures on wasting food.

OTOH, If they are intentionally "wounding" the animal that is certainly a form of animal cruelty and shouldn't be allowed. I don't believe in animal rights, but I don't believe in animal torture either.

That is how I feel. But I suck at getting my point across so I'll just say +1.

 

[69nites]

That is how I feel. But I suck at getting my point across so I'll just say +1.

I got you're point roon

you guys don't understand the point of the exercise.

if they wanted to use dead tissue they don't need pigs they can use human cadavers.

the reason for pigs is they need it to be alive to have an effective training tool...

 

[Relic]

I imagine that after all is said and done they euthanize them then cremate the carcasses.

How is this different from any other animal testing? It, (animal testing) happens everyday, all over this country and countless others.
It sucks, but it's a necessary evil. Some things just are, end of story..

 

[TheDarkReaver]

If the army really wanted the pigs to suffer then they wouldn't bother with anaethesia and vets.

 

[beaglesandbass]

there is simply not enough info available for me to form an opinion.

what happens to the body after the pig dies?
what if it doesn't die?
will they put it out of its misery or will it die of the wounds?
are the pigs out when they are shot, or are they fully alert, capable of feeling pain?

all questions i'd like to know the answers to.

 

[Relic]

what happens to the body after the pig dies?

-likely cremation after being euthanized.

what if it doesn't die?

-it's not supposed to. The purpose is to treat it and keep it alive after suffering injuries that soldiers may in a war zone.

will they put it out of its misery or will it die of the wounds?

-It will likely be anesthetized as would an injured soldier so hopefully wouldn't suffer too much. Some may survive, others may die. I don't think they plan on injuring them in very specific ways - I don't know that you can with gunfire - but I could be wrong.

are the pigs out when they are shot, or are they fully alert, capable of feeling pain?

Dont know.

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[Ray Holt]

Please do not criticize the military if you never served in the military. I really don't care if you use bumper-sticker arguments to criticize Fox News, the President, or even the war, but do not blame this on the troops. You have no clue how the military works and why they do things until you join. I thought the I knew what it would be like before I joined, but I was dead wrong. I loved my time in the Army and wish that everyone in the country had to at least go though basic training. Also, any thing that we can do to help train soldiers for combat readiness is a good thing. Pigs have very similar skin to humans, in fact tattooists learn how to tattoo on pig skin. If I were to have had a soldier on my team that had been shot, I would have been less prepared to treat his wounds than I should have been, and that is simply unacceptable.

+1

I've never served in the military, but out of all the posts I've read in this thread I think that one ought to end it.

 

[FL Knifemaker]

now I know that you know that ratings don't equate to quality.

I don't trust any politically motivated news station as far as I can throw it.

They are often complimented by both sides for being fair. If there's another station like that, please let me know

 

[FL Knifemaker]

+1

I've never served in the military, but out of all the posts I've read in this thread I think that one ought to end it.

+1

The anti war, anti US, anti US Laws, anti US Millitary, anti etc., etc., etc., sentiment here is getting old. I wish people would go back to posting about my favorite topic........ Futbol