AudioKinesis 112 Cab

[KJung]

Yep, I owned a Tri112L (which I loved BTW) for quite a while and we also had one at the Seattle GTG that Duke came to. The Thunderchild can also get a lot more aggressive in the highs if desired, IMHO. The weight difference is actually only something like 3 pounds IIRC.

+1 on the top end based on my recollection also... a little more sparkle if you want it with the Thunderchild.

 

[John D Harris]

With the cabs at 90 degrees the HF horns have little overlap in coverage, so there's no need for inverting the top cab. For that matter there's no need when aimed the same direction once you get 20 feet or so away from the cabs, but closer than that the horn outputs won't be integrated on the vertical plane, and that would be especially problematic where you're standing while playing. With the longer bass wavelengths woofer coupling occurs in either orientation.

If they are aimed in different directions, this won't happen or not enough to be audible.

Thanks for the clarification.

I'd think for the player onstage having both woofers pointed at you would be more of a kick than the 90 degree thing, but I understand the situation where you need to cover a big stage and/or have no FOH.

 

[wunslooth]

HMM I have a LM250 amp, would it make a good match for this luxurious cab?
Not very experienced at this stuff. Its my first Bass Head, And I don't have a cab yet.
Really excited to get one. I will be playing My carved archtop guitars over this, and my bass guitars too. Looking for pure tones! I'd appreciate anycomments from all you satisfied owners.

Cheers

 

[kringle77]

That head won't have enough power to really push the cab but, Im sure that it would sound good. You may not even need to push the cab hard in your playing situation so, watts may not matter to you.

 

[wunslooth]

That head won't have enough power to really push the cab but, Im sure that it would sound good. You may not even need to push the cab hard in your playing situation so, watts may not matter to you.

I honestly don't know, As foolish as it sounds, I bought the LM250 because it was less than half the price normally, used.
but for a year only. And because, I rationalized, I play through a Peavy basic 112. and it is plenty loud to keep up with the praise band I'm in. 50Watts or something like that lol. But It does seem like the preffered trend on TB is the 500 Watt Range and these are even considered small, Which only discourages me slightly. As I said inexperience, Thanks for your reply.

 

[KJung]

I honestly don't know, As foolish as it sounds, I bought the LM250 because it was less than half the price normally, used.
but for a year only. And because, I rationalized, I play through a Peavy basic 112. and it is plenty loud to keep up with the praise band I'm in. 50Watts or something like that lol. But It does seem like the preffered trend on TB is the 500 Watt Range and these are even considered small, Which only discourages me slightly. As I said inexperience, Thanks for your reply.

Just FYI, speaker SPL impacts how much wattage you 'need'. If you get a nice midranged voiced cab, it takes very little power to really crank out the DB's. For example, my Schroeder 115L+ would just KILL with 250 watts cranking into it. It is 4ohm, and voiced with lots of mids and very little deep bass.

The Thunder Child is literally just the opposite... voiced with a full, deep low end. Given this, and the small box, you run into the 'you can have two of the three..... small, low or loud. The cool thing is, with this box, given the 4ohm impedance and the ton of 400-600 watt micro heads out there now, you literally can have all three... BUT... it takes a bit more wattage than the more typical midrange driver loaded bass cab.

Your head would work fine with this cab, but would not IMO and IME result in the cab reaching anywhere near its peak output.

 

[billfitzmaurice]

I'd think for the player onstage having both woofers pointed at you would be more of a kick than the 90 degree thing

Nope. Below roughly 300Hz, where 'kick' resides, the radiation pattern is omni-directional, so it doesn't matter which way they face. Where things get directional what matters most is the orientation of the top cab, as that's the one you'll hear. Aim it at you; you won't be able to tell the difference which way the bottom cab is aimed. If you need wider mid/highs dispersion, usually for the benefit of the drummer, aim the lower cab at him.
This scheme applies to all cabs vertically stacked, BTW, not just Duke's.

 

[John D Harris]

Nope. Below roughly 300Hz, where 'kick' resides, the radiation pattern is omni-directional, so it doesn't matter which way they face. Where things get directional what matters most is the orientation of the top cab, as that's the one you'll hear. Aim it at you; you won't be able to tell the difference which way the bottom cab is aimed. If you need wider mid/highs dispersion, usually for the benefit of the drummer, aim the lower cab at him.
This scheme applies to all cabs vertically stacked, BTW, not just Duke's.

OK; thanks for the info!

 

[Jazzdogg]

For those of you have have tried the ThunderChild with DB, how does it compare to other speakers you've used with DB?

 

[KJung]

For those of you have have tried the ThunderChild with DB, how does it compare to oither speakers you've used with DB?

My buddy Ric Vice (who posts over in the DB section) gave this cab a going over a few weeks ago, and we compared it to his EA VL208. He has his impressions posted in the Audiokinesis thread in the DB section.

It sounded fabulous to me (he was using some sort of high end mic and his Walter Woods... VERY transparent compared to the VL208 (i.e., the bass sounded almost identical acoustic and through the Thunder Child, while the VL208 added quite a bit of mid character and sounded a bit less 'clean'). Very nice!

 

[Jazzdogg]

Thanks, Ken!

 

[hensonbass]

For those of you have have tried the ThunderChild with DB, how does it compare to other speakers you've used with DB?

I get the best DB sound I've ever had with this cab. This is compared to cabs I have in my collection like a Phil Jones Super Flightcase BG-300 combo, a Phil Jones 8B neo cab, and an old Epifani UL-110. All these cabs sound real good but the Thunderchild takes it to a new level.

The Thunderchild with an Acoustic Image Focus head gets me the most accurate tone at the loudest volume level and with a low weight. It just blows me away.

 

[wunslooth]

Just FYI, speaker SPL impacts how much wattage you 'need'. If you get a nice midranged voiced cab, it takes very little power to really crank out the DB's. For example, my Schroeder 115L+ would just KILL with 250 watts cranking into it. It is 4ohm, and voiced with lots of mids and very little deep bass.

The Thunder Child is literally just the opposite... voiced with a full, deep low end. Given this, and the small box, you run into the 'you can have two of the three..... small, low or loud. The cool thing is, with this box, given the 4ohm impedance and the ton of 400-600 watt micro heads out there now, you literally can have all three... BUT... it takes a bit more wattage than the more typical midrange driver loaded bass cab.

Your head would work fine with this cab, but would not IMO and IME result in the cab reaching anywhere near its peak output.

So Helpful! Thanks. There are many things I don't understand still about this. but I hear -Yes it would work, But not taking the full advantage of the Cab.? Which Makes sense to me. Thanks for takin the time. Its a BIG decision for me.

My Local Shop Told me that nobody really makes single 12" bass cabs. (he is a "sound guy") So thats the most helpful people within arms reach of me. (sept all you TBasscats!)

Its my Cheapest option ATM, believe it or not! getting a Berg AE112 from AU is 1100NZ, And SWR from Local Shop is 1000NZ, And I get a Child from the states next time I go, or one of my relatives visit NZ. $930NZ. Just wanted to make sure nothing would go wrong using my bity amp. Thanks, most helpful

 

[Jazzdogg]

I get the best DB sound I've ever had with this cab. This is compared to cabs I have in my collection like a Phil Jones Super Flightcase BG-300 combo, a Phil Jones 8B neo cab, and an old Epifani UL-110. All these cabs sound real good but the Thunderchild takes it to a new level.

The Thunderchild with an Acoustic Image Focus head gets me the most accurate tone at the loudest volume level and with a low weight. It just blows me away.

Fantastic! I keep thinking about getting a ThunderChild with a cup socket on the bottom so I can pole mount it to elevate the midrange driver and mitigate feedback (or use a pole-mounted pair as PA cabs for small gigs).

 

[Mystic Michael]

My Local Shop Told me that nobody really makes single 12" bass cabs.

(he is a "sound guy")

Sure he is...

MM

 

[hensonbass]

Fantastic! I keep thinking about getting a ThunderChild with a cup socket on the bottom so I can pole mount it to elevate the midrange driver and mitigate feedback (or use a pole-mounted pair as PA cabs for small gigs).

FYI: The crossover is on the bottom on the cab and is a MASSIVE assembly that occupies all the 'floor' space. Maybe side mounting might work? Talk to Duke.

 

[KJung]

FYI: The crossover is on the bottom on the cab and is a MASSIVE assembly that occupies all the 'floor' space. Maybe side mounting might work? Talk to Duke.

TBer Passinwind posted up a solution for this issue, but can't remember where or what it was exactly. The OP should PM Charlie (great guy) for that info. I assume it is some sort of heavy duty surface mount cup or something, but I'm relatively clueless on that.

 

[bobcruz]

TBer Passinwind posted up a solution for this issue, but can't remember where or what it was exactly. The OP should PM Charlie (great guy) for that info. I assume it is some sort of heavy duty surface mount cup or something, but I'm relatively clueless on that.

He probably used something like this (sold by Dayton Audio with a speaker stand at PartsExpress but I've also seen them sold alone--can't remember where).

 

[Passinwind]

He probably used something like this (sold by Dayton Audio with a speaker stand at PartsExpress but I've also seen them sold alone--can't remember where).

Yep, something just like that. I used t-nuts in the cab for easy installation/removal and also made an angled tubular piece that fit over the end to enable a tilt-up configuration. I used regular old bolts to seal up the holes when not using the cup mount.

None of this was on one of Duke's cabs though, it was for a similar size DIY 112 coax cab I built several years ago.

 

[greenboy]

Do be aware though, people: if you take a good bass source up off the floor very far you end up losing all that low frequency coupling. As you go higher you actually start creating destructive cancellations at frequencies closer and closer to the low end. Sometimes people actually blow drivers because of the destructive cancellations gutting content that's desired, and people running amps and cabs too hard trying to compensate.

This is why club PA practices use active crossovers, keeps subwoofers on the floor, and does not run low frequency content through suspended/flown/pole-mounted/etc mains.