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AudioKinesis 112 Cab
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Scary how that worked ... you may not be cupping your hands, but you're definitely 'cupping' the sound.
Now that you've worked out the kinks building Ken's
Actually, there is some truth to this. Getting the 'first one' always results in a bit of feedback that will probaby make the next batch a touch better. It is fun to be the 'test mule', but there is a price to pay. The good news is, this cab seems pretty much perfect, but I'm sure Duke found a few minor things he could tweak in the next batch.
maybe he could have a subscription service and send you updates you can download into your cab with a soldering iron 
actually, knowing duke and how he's spent the better part of 2 years coming up with these designs, i'd say he probably got it about as tweaked as possible and any updating would be more from technology changing than anything. he's a very thorough guy and he so didn't want to send out something before he thought it was ready.
actually, knowing duke and how he's spent the better part of 2 years coming up with these designs, i'd say he probably got it about as tweaked as possible and any updating would be more from technology changing than anything. he's a very thorough guy and he so didn't want to send out something before he thought it was ready.
Lets not forget this the large x-max - if you feel you need to add a lows with EQ, this speaker will accept it much better than most 1x12 cabs would. I've got some old beyma 12's with 8mm of X-max that do a similar thing, and let me tell you it's a nice luxury to be able to confidently boost lows without fear of overworking the driver.
maybe he could have a subscription service and send you updates you can download into your cab with a soldering iron
actually, knowing duke and how he's spent the better part of 2 years coming up with these designs, i'd say he probably got it about as tweaked as possible and any updating would be more from technology changing than anything. he's a very thorough guy and he so didn't want to send out something before he thought it was ready.
+1 The tweaks of this nature are typically, for example, different screws for the handle, and that sort of thing... not so much tone or design.
+1 I'm over my head here regarding technical knowledge, but my impression is that even with hi xmax, it isn't necessarily a good thing to dial in a bunch of low end below the 'port tuning' of the cab. I may be totally wrong here, but my impression is that the hi xmax is a wonderful thing to allow the cab to really punch out its 'tuned' low end, but not particularly helpful to dial in a ton of stuff below the basic low end limitations of the cab.
Again, could be wrong here.
I'm basing this on my 'reference head', the TecAmp Puma500. That head has a VERY wide voicing, with the hi pass filtering set very low. You can see this by the speakers in cabs moving in and out a very long way (especially the 3012LF), even at low volumes on far from the lowest notes of the instrument. This head really allows you to hear the roll-off of a cab as you move down the B string. I guess if you have VERY precise EQ (i.e., a full parametric, non shelving bass control) you could move the frequency roll-off of the cab down a bit (i.e., put back that -3db dropoff without adding a tone of deep low end that just sucks power and doesn't destroy a speaker). However, with the typical shelving bass control on most bass amps, not sure this can really be done. Again, I'm in the 'having a little knowledge can be a dangerous thing' level in this particular discussion.
EE types... please feel free to clean up my mess!
You're not wrong at all. I was talking abut dialling in some 60-80Hz. Bass cabs will never be tuned that high, and those frequencies cab add "fullness" in a live situation while simultaneously stressing a lot of commercially made cabs.
+1 All the way. This is where the 'meat' of the low end of a bass guitar lives, and this little cab just pushes that 'upper bass' beautifully.
A typical semi-parametric lo mid control does this beautifully.Also, the TecAmp shelving bass control has a shelving start point around 30hz. This is cool in that it almost acts like a hi pass filter. You would never want to use that control to boost (ever!), but it is useful for tightening up the deep low end with many cabs.
I misinterpreted your post!
Can't wait for some actual gig reports for this cab, especially when there is no FOH support. Might be just the thing for a low-mid volume gig with no PA support.
I'm glad you're so pleased, KJung. I've been talking to Duke about his designs for a while and I always considered you and Jimmy as the two people he would have to win over so the rest of us have a yardstick for the successes of his unique approach 
Clip is uploading. I'll post a link in about an hour when it has been processed, etc. by Youtube.
Amazing how much these high xmax drivers open up after a few hours of playing. I typically don't notice 'driver break in' on most cabs, but this one definitely opened up on the low notes of the B string.
I've gone from impressed to ridiculously impressed with this cab now. Hopefully, the clip will do it justice. I used the same room, heads, bass, and recorder settings that I used on the wonderful Bergantino HT112ER clip that you will see in right before this one on my Youtube channel. The 'Thunderchild' has all the low end meat of that ER (very impressive cab), with a bit more information in the upper mids (important to me), and a similarly transparent and smooth, hi fi top end, with a savings of about 10 pounds and I assume better dispersion in the upper mids.
Excellent cab, and a great option for those who find the 12/6 cabs a bit too smooth and polite, and some other 112's a bit thin down low and/or too heavy.
Amazing how much these high xmax drivers open up after a few hours of playing. I typically don't notice 'driver break in' on most cabs, but this one definitely opened up on the low notes of the B string.
I've gone from impressed to ridiculously impressed with this cab now. Hopefully, the clip will do it justice. I used the same room, heads, bass, and recorder settings that I used on the wonderful Bergantino HT112ER clip that you will see in right before this one on my Youtube channel. The 'Thunderchild' has all the low end meat of that ER (very impressive cab), with a bit more information in the upper mids (important to me), and a similarly transparent and smooth, hi fi top end, with a savings of about 10 pounds and I assume better dispersion in the upper mids.
Excellent cab, and a great option for those who find the 12/6 cabs a bit too smooth and polite, and some other 112's a bit thin down low and/or too heavy.
Ken, I have to dispute something you said -- the 12/6 cabs being viewed as comparable to other boutique 12s. That's just wrong. The 3012LF will get around 3db louder under 300-400hz than any other 12 out there if not a little more.
If you wanted to give 'max volume' comparisons, the 3012LF cabinet is comparable to a high end 2x10 in maximum output (limited by thermal rather than displacement limitations), or a medium quality 3x10.
Duke's cab is closer to a high quality 3x10, but gives up a bit of low end response (below 60hz, where no one is really missing it except Knuckle players).
In sensitivity you're right, that the 12/6 is pretty much on par with most 1x12s, but displacement + sensitivity tells the volume story, neither one is sufficient by itself.
If you wanted to give 'max volume' comparisons, the 3012LF cabinet is comparable to a high end 2x10 in maximum output (limited by thermal rather than displacement limitations), or a medium quality 3x10.
Duke's cab is closer to a high quality 3x10, but gives up a bit of low end response (below 60hz, where no one is really missing it except Knuckle players).
In sensitivity you're right, that the 12/6 is pretty much on par with most 1x12s, but displacement + sensitivity tells the volume story, neither one is sufficient by itself.
+1 The LDS 12/6's also. I guess (again over my head here technically) that the typical cab/driver that doesn't have much xmax anyway doesn't really benefit much from the surrounds loosening up a bit over the first few hours of playing like the 3012 loaded cabs.
VERY impressive low end and 'peak/power' handling with this one!
Duke offered a lower pricing to people who preordered, so it may be a question that he has to answer.
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