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AudioKinesis 112 Cab

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#121
DukeLeJeune said:
As the cost and weight of a 3015LF-based cab climbs, it starts having to compete with a 2 x 3012LF cab. In my opinion the sweet spot for the 3015LF would be a two-way, and I have not yet found an economical way to offer a worthy alternative to the fEarful and its cousins.
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That makes some good sense. It's tough to get sufficient output out of a 2-way with a 15 without making the crossover or the HF section inordinately expensive.

I imagine it crosses over into Bill's territory a bit, but here're a couple thoughts;

-horn loading a smaller midrange driver (like a Faital 5, or a pair of those B&C 3" mids) - I don't know if it's got the right specs for it, but its on-axis performance is solid, so a boost in efficiency from horn loading might make it enough to keep up with the 3015LF (and further its higher top end extension than the 6nd410/6nm410 might help some).

-partial horn-loading the 3015LF to improve its radiation pattern up to the point where it could be crossed to a horn at a frequency that is suitable for a less costly crossover. I believe Bill's O15 does this but then uses a mid horn crossed in the 1200hz range. Might be you could make some different choices there.

Personally I think you'd make more money moving to a 2x10 than a 15, though, given current stage of perceptions in the industry.
 
#123
KJung said:
I think I had a 12/6/1 clip up for a while, but it sounded so close to the 1212/6/1 that I thought it was redundant and took it down.

Here is a nice audio clip of a 12/6 (I was using an Edirol audio recorder and iComposition before I got the Zoom Q3 and switched to the video clips on Youtube), with the 3012LF driver and the very nice Faital mid driver crossed over at 800hz.. This has become the LDS's kind of 'default' spec for the 12/6. Really nice to my ears, although Duke's cab is more to my liking for my tone goals (i.e., the Thunderchild has a little more low mid punch and bite up top)

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Thanks!

I see what u mean in your comparison. The 12/6 does sound nice, but they are different beast.
 
#125
rpsands said:
Personally I think you'd make more money moving to a 2x10 than a 15, though, given current stage of perceptions in the industry.
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I could be wrong, but I am not sure that it would be much gained by going for a 2x10 version of this cab, other than weight, that is. From the clips provided by KJung it seems that this cab brings sonic dimensions that those who favor 10's are looking for, and a bit more. :D

I agree that there are those that swear by 10's and swear off 12's, but I think what we have hear (pun intended) is an excuse buster.
 
#126
There are a lot of advantages to using 10's when crossing over to a horn, but the biggest advantage is looks. People will look at it and say "wow, I bet that has the punch of 10s." Also taller, and stock woofers tend to come out 8 ohms, so you get a 4 ohm load out of it.

Not that there is anything at all wrong with Duke's cab, :) Just being the peanut gallery and talking about stuff I might like to see in the future.
 
#127
rpsands said:
There are a lot of advantages to using 10's when crossing over to a horn, but the biggest advantage is looks. People will look at it and say "wow, I bet that has the punch of 10s." Also taller, and stock woofers tend to come out 8 ohms, so you get a 4 ohm load out of it.

Not that there is anything at all wrong with Duke's cab, :) Just being the peanut gallery and talking about stuff I might like to see in the future.
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But then what will we do when the 15" crowd knows that the 10"s just can't put out that lowend? :( Maybe it's better to just not play their games at all.
 
#128
rpsands said:
There are a lot of advantages to using 10's when crossing over to a horn, but the biggest advantage is looks. People will look at it and say "wow, I bet that has the punch of 10s." Also taller, and stock woofers tend to come out 8 ohms, so you get a 4 ohm load out of it.

Not that there is anything at all wrong with Duke's cab, :) Just being the peanut gallery and talking about stuff I might like to see in the future.
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I appreciate you taking this sort of thing into account, as it shows you want to help me be successful in the marketplace. However, I'm arrogant enough to think that I can go against the grain and win people over on sound quality alone. Case in point: That bigmouth horn. Visually it screams "HONK" or "GAAK" and I'll probably lose sales because of that, but that's okay. My target market is the open-minded whose needs align with what I'm offering.
 
#129
The more I watch Ken's video with the Sadowsky, I really dig the second setting he uses with the top end rolled off slightly. Perfectly in-line with the tone I dig.

I definitely see one of these in my future. The perfect small gig cab.
 
#131
4StringTheorist said:
It almost seems like "the perfect not-large gig cab" is more appropriate. I guess like a lot of people I'm excited to hear how this thing does in a band context. It hits the sweet-spot for me on pretty much all of the technical and pragmatic concerns, so I'm another customer of Duke's as soon as the money arrives.
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I think that is, indeed, a better description. :)

The presence and low end I hear out of that small of a box is pretty crazy.
 
#132
DukeLeJeune said:
I appreciate you taking this sort of thing into account, as it shows you want to help me be successful in the marketplace. However, I'm arrogant enough to think that I can go against the grain and win people over on sound quality alone. Case in point: That bigmouth horn. Visually it screams "HONK" or "GAAK" and I'll probably lose sales because of that, but that's okay. My target market is the open-minded whose needs align with what I'm offering.
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Maybe you could paint the horn in a fashion that makes it look like another cone from a distance. ;)
 
#133
4StringTheorist said:
It almost seems like "the perfect not-large gig cab" is more appropriate. I guess like a lot of people I'm excited to hear how this thing does in a band context. It hits the sweet-spot for me on pretty much all of the technical and pragmatic concerns, so I'm another customer of Duke's as soon as the money arrives.
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I'm with you, I can't wait to read actual gig reports, especially gigs with no PA support.
 
#136
It looks like Duratex is going to be available in 16-ounce quantities direct from the manufacturer, which will facilitate touch-ups. I started a thread on the topic where you can find more information.

For twenty bucks this solves the problem of what to do when you a have nick that needs to be touched up, but don't have a bucket of Duratex in the basement. This is great news for any manufacturer that uses standard black Duratex, any owner of a cab painted with such, and any DIYers who only need 16 ounces.
 
#137
DukeLeJeune said:
It looks like Duratex is going to be available in 16-ounce quantities direct from the manufacturer, which will facilitate touch-ups. I started a thread on the topic where you can find more information.

For twenty bucks this solves the problem of what to do when you a have nick that needs to be touched up, but don't have a bucket of Duratex in the basement. This is great news for any manufacturer that uses standard black Duratex, any owner of a cab painted with such, and any DIYers who only need 16 ounces.
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This validates my decision for having LDS 12/6 and 15/6 cabs finished with Duratex. I think Don said the bedliner finish was 5 or so pounds heavier. I wanted the lighter weight and chose Duratex. Now if there's a scuff, repair is simple. Here's to good lightweight gear! Thanks for info Duke!
 
#138
Bernie Connors said:
I think that is, indeed, a better description. :)

The presence and low end I hear out of that small of a box is pretty crazy.
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+1 I've played enough cabs at home and then had them on the gig, that I am virtually sure this single cab will more than satisfy 100% of 210 users, 90% of 2 x 112 users, and most of the 310 users out there. The spec's on this class of driver are really something, and the box tuning seems perfect for a big low end that doesn't just eat power and rumble.... punchy, full, loud, uncompressed. Awesome for a moderate size box, juch less this litty bitty one.

If you are pushing a 410 or a big, high quality large 212 box, probably not.
 
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