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AudioKinesis Cabs Part VI...

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Mark Sacchetti said:
Perhaps another cab would match with 1203 for higher volume situations?
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Well the Thunderchild 112 has been paired with the Hathor 1203 with good results, and they're pretty close to one another in output level. Then of course there's two 1203's stacked.

I didn't realize there would be so much discrepancy between the volume of the 1203 and the 1505. Kinda shot myself in the foot as far as making it a good partner for a 1203.
 
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I hope @DukeLeJeune doesn't start an "affordable" line that isn't up to his already very high standards. My goodness, look at his prices. They are already very competitive to "cookie cutter" cabinets yet outperform everything in their class. I'm sure he's always experimenting with new designs and look forward to what comes out next.

Duke, would you mind posting some pics of the new Hathor 1505 on your website? I'm excited to see the product!

Well this is a fine mess I've gotten into Ollie! I'm so excited about my H1203 I ordered but now I'm intrigued by the H1505. It sounds like the 1505's are pretty near the perfect solution for all-in-one cabs that can do small stages and with a couple stacked any concert stage. But to add to my confusion, I love 18's so either of the 18 cabs sounds excellent to me?!!!!

Dumb question. I love reading this thread, but is there such a thing as Audiokenesis Club?
 
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alaskaleftybass said:
I hope @DukeLeJeune doesn't start an "affordable" line that isn't up to his already very high standards. My goodness, look at his prices. They are already very competitive. .
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Agree. There are plenty of "affordable alternatives" for budget minded. There are DIY plans, used cabs, and a plethora of mass-manufactured new cabs. None of these include AudioKinesis customer service.

Maybe change the marketing: Instead of selling cabinets, sell AudioKinesis Customer care, Service and Support (AKCcSS) as the product. With the purchase of AKCcSS, receive a cabinet. Purchase AKCcSS, receive cabinet access.

Businesses that don't make a profit vanish instantly or sooner. We want Duke and AudioKinesis to be with us in the long term, happy and healthy. So do whatever it takes to make a good profit, taking care of yourself and family, even raising prices if need be.

Finally ponder the following: The cheap can become expensive, as cheap often includes poor design, quality, disposability, unreliability, and customer abandonment. The more expensive can provide value in excellent design, quality, longevity, reliability, and customer care, service and support. Please keep AudioKinesis in the latter category.

PS my TC212v1 continues to pound beyond its pounds. Have used this cabinet now for over 300 performances over 3 years, without a glitch.
 
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alaskaleftybass said:
I hope Duke doesn't start an "affordable" line that isn't up to his already very high standards.
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staccatogrowl said:
Agree. There are plenty of "affordable alternatives" for budget minded.

... ponder the following: The cheap can become expensive, as cheap often includes poor design, quality, disposability, unreliability, and customer abandonment. The more expensive can provide value in excellent design, quality, longevity, reliability, and customer care, service and support. Please keep AudioKinesis in the latter category.
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Don't worry, I'm not going to do a me-too mass market cab! I am incapable of getting excited about something that doesn't push some performance boundary somewhere.

So far I have two lines of cabs, the Thunderchild series and the Hathor series. This would be a third series, based on a different approach which isn't as inherently crossover-intensive. It would be its own thing, rather than a budget version of something else.
 
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DukeLeJeune said:
Don't worry, I'm not going to do a me-too mass market cab! I am incapable of getting excited about something that doesn't push some performance boundary somewhere.

So far I have two lines of cabs, the Thunderchild series and the Hathor series. This would be a third series, based on a different approach which isn't as inherently crossover-intensive. It would be its own thing, rather than a budget version of something else.
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I will patiently wait for your hints on your new cabs........ ok I'm ready for hints! LOL.....
 
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alaskaleftybass said:
I will patiently wait for your hints on your new cabs........ ok I'm ready for hints! LOL.....
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John D Harris said:
We've gone from TalkBass to TeaseBass...j/k...
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Okay guys sorry to have been cryptic. I'll spill the beans to anyone who sends me a PM.

That being said, my ideas are evolving as a result of the cabinet dimensions poll in another thread... players who use tube heads ought to have access to wide-dispersion cabs. Some of them are resorting to using 215's because they have better horizontal dispersion than 410s. We can do better than that.
 
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Story time, folks! Gather 'round, and hear another tale of the ever amazing ThunderChild 118!

Last night, my new project had our 2nd gig. It was at a pretty good sized bar, who normally expect anywhere from 60 to 70 people for a good night. We (even though we were headlining, went on first as we like the extra soundcheck time and no rush to setup etc) went on at 9pm. Doors opened at 8:30pm, and we have 90 people packed into the place at that point!

Anyway, during setup the soundguy wasn't sure about my cab. He has a great PA in there, and thought my rig would mostly be used for on stage monitoring. He took a DI from my rig, and mic'd the cab (which, with my setup, is kind of odd since I run modeled cabs and amps). Anyway, I was there at 6pm and setup, and showed some of the other early folks my rig. Each bass player was interested in the little box, but each thought it was "cute" and probably not super capable. Even though it's an 18" drive, it is a small cab in overall size.

So, I start playing without PA support just to show what the cab can do. The venue is an odd shape - kid of inverted T shaped, with little cubbies added on. As I played, the others waled around to hear. I played a few riffs from a few of our songs - kind of prog rock / metal stuff, so some "chugga chugga", but some technical runs as well. After a couple of minutes, I asked how it sounded. One guy asked if he could use it (I let him), and another asked where he could get more information - he probably can't afford one for a long while, but wanted the info in case he came into some money. So I pulled up the website and emailed him the link :). The guy who used it for his set loved it, but his complaint was that it wasn't in his ears enough (he normally plays an 8x10, so has more driver closer to ear level). I suggested he could angle it back, or stack it on something to get it more at ear level. Not sure how much he liked it or if he was being nice, but he was pretty smiley about it.

So, @DukeLeJeune as of last night, a few more fans of your design were born. I'll need to bug you about a cab soon - I want a dedicated one for the Mrs., but have some thoughts I want to bounce off of you about it :)
 
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Here's a photo of the H1505 with a P Bass and micro head for scale.

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Paging both @steubig and @DukeLeJeune re: stereo setups. Just for gits and shiggles, how far apart is ideal for a couple of cabs when running a stereo set up, say, for a solo loop/effects-heavy situation?
 
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ideal? some of it comes down to band density. some of it is stage size. some of it is where i can be in relationship to the cabs--if i can be dead center, it makes it more "stereo-ish," but takes up more stage room. and then there's being able to hear what you're doing. i do live panning and looping in stereo. if things are too far away, it's hard to hear different parts., but gives the audience more of the spatial relationships we want. last, as bass players, we're used to feeling a strong center, so sometimes you don't want to be that far away from a cab.

for me the answer is situational and based on all the variables above.

hope this makes sense. early.
 
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Marial said:
Paging both @steubig and @DukeLeJeune re: stereo setups. Just for gits and shiggles, how far apart is ideal for a couple of cabs when running a stereo set up, say, for a solo loop/effects-heavy situation?
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I've run lots of stereo systems. As steubig says, it just depends. One of my favorites was just a vertical stack with a stereo split -- that way no high passing to the second cab was even required. It may or may not be otherwise, but it often helps, IME. I've found 15' or so to be where latency starts to be a real confounding factor on the stages I used to play on, but there's nothing that says you have to use equal volumes or stand in the middle either. BTW, the back firing tweeter in my TC112 is awesome for enhancing ambience effects.
 
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alaskaleftybass said:
That's a beautiful setup! How do you like the Kustom?
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The Kustom is the best head I've ever had. And I've had no less than 12 different high end rigs over the last 9 years. I had someone play it last night with the 1505 and they were just floored by how loud it was.
Yes a lot of that is the amazing 1505 but there was high praise for the head flying around too
 
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