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AudioKinesis Cabs Part VI...

Just a suggestion: until you get your website updated, maybe massage the above info (along with current pricing?) & post it on your AudioKinesis Facebook page.

That's a great suggestion. I don't think about the facebook page very often, as it was my wife's idea and I told her that's one thing too many for me, if you do it, you gotta be the one to check in on it. I just haven't really warmed up to facebook yet, unfortunately. But we'll get it up there.

I'm torn between the TC212 v.2 & the Hathor 1855; I'd love to audition them both, but I'm thinking the 212 may be a bit more versatile with the two tone switches.

The TC212 is indeed the more versatile of the two, good call.

Gonna have a hard time deciding between the Hathor and the Baer ML115 if I get back in the market.
That 18 is kinda tempting.

Roger does excellent work, and his ML115 is considerably more affordable. But it's nice to hear that the 18 speaks to the Monster in you!

Actually the direction I'm going with the voicing of the Hathor cabs leans towards the Baers. I didn't set out to copy Roger (and didn't in fact do so); it's just that my own investigation of what "sounds good" for electric bass has apparently led me to similar conclusions, judging by the response curve Tom Bowlus published in BassGear Magazine.

Speaking of which, kudos to Tom for the measurements he takes and publishes. They are extremely educational for me, and I know that I'm not the only bass cab manufacturer who feels that way.
 
The Puma is in the race but not near the front. The rational for the 1000 over the 900 is it's bridged 8 ohm power (I'm playing thru an 8ohm cab).

I really, really like the Valkyrie except for the fact it only puts out about 350 watts into 8 ohms. I'd like a minimum of 500 watts into 8 ohms; I HATE being underpowered. :scowl:

Actually the front runner right now is the De-Monique. I've heard too many good things about it not to consider it. I love to try one first but just might take the leap of faith.

LD

You don't want the Puma 1000 - instead consider the 900. We did another cab shootout the other day and ran my Monique/Minnie along with Steuart's Puma 500 (and I used to have a Puma 900). Both sounded great with the TC112. I could see how the GK isn't quite the right fit. While I liked my MB Fusion, it has an edge to it that I could see not playing well with the horn, smooth though it is.

Monique sounds damn near perfect through the TC112 - I imagine the 15af would be great as well. I've played Valkyrie twice at NAMM and like it a lot. If I was willing to put up with a 19" rack form factor and some extra weight, it would be at the top of my list.

Markbass - not in the same league imho.
 
The Mo is great if you like what it does, which is pretty good. However it is a bit of a one and a half trick pony. The EQ is nice, but subtle in comparison to the Puma's capability. The Val looks to have some great shaping ability, but they are rare as frog hair right now.
 
I loved the mids on the 1544, but wouldn't mind a bit more deep(er) low end support to build a firm foundation for those mids. Just a case of IME/IMHO, though, and YMMV.

Obviously I'm keeping that open-format midchamber, but also moving a half-step or so in the direction of the Baer ML112, as far as midrange "voicing". And both the 1203 and 1855 trade off efficiency for a bit more bottom end, relative to say the original Hathor 1544.

hi duke.

wondering: is it conceivable that one could drop the woofer from the 8ohm tc112 into a 4ohm tc112 or are there other considerations? (sorry if this has been answered before.)

Nope, sorry! The crossovers are totally different, and even the compression drivers are different.

Well, I guess you could do it and life would go on, but it probably would leave a lot to be desired.
 
The Mo is great if you like what it does, which is pretty good. However it is a bit of a one and a half trick pony.

Yeah, but that trick is so good, I pretty much don't care about doing any others ;)

No amp is perfect for everyone. For instance guys like the new Boogie all tube heads. I played one at the shop and could not get a single tone I liked out of it. Conversely, I haven't been able to get a tone I hate out of Monique. That said, there are certain sounds that Monique isn't going to easily pull off on her own - extremes of eq for example. But unlike most amps where I find a few settings that work and many that don't, I can put the knobs on Monique pretty much anywhere and end up with a usable tone. But big ymmv. Also the cab is a huge part of the equation. Monique sounded and reacted very different through TC112 vs BigE vs Baer.
 
Obviously I'm keeping that open-format midchamber, but also moving a half-step or so in the direction of the Baer ML112, as far as midrange "voicing". And both the 1203 and 1855 trade off efficiency for a bit more bottom end, relative to say the original Hathor 1544.



Nope, sorry! The crossovers are totally different, and even the compression drivers are different.

Well, I guess you could do it and life would go on, but it probably would leave a lot to be desired.

okay i thought as much. i'll be interested to see how far you go towards "the baer sound" . . . i like that sound, but like my tc112 a little more. how is teh 1203 going to be tuned vis a vis a low b?

i figured it wouldn't be so easy. was interested because todd and i were discussing the idea of a tc112 topped with the hathor 1203. (yes, a little nuts, probably.)
 
Having played through the Baer and owning a Mo, but not at the same time, I understand how they probably sound great together. Having owned a Puma and having Mo now, I agree with nostatic. I can't comment on anything about hoe they fit with Duke's cabs.
 
i'll be interested to see how far you go towards "the baer sound" . . . i like that sound, but like my tc112 a little more. how is teh 1203 going to be tuned vis a vis a low b?

The 1203 will only have one port, centered behind the magnet, which will tune the cab a bit lower than the theoretical optimum, like ballpark 44 Hz. But the result is a little bit better pitch definition, which I'll explain in a moment when I get into the evils of ports.

The Hathor 1203 models -3 dB at 62 Hz, so it should still deliver a decent low-B.

was interested because todd and i were discussing the idea of a tc112 topped with the hathor 1203. (yes, a little nuts, probably.)

Not at all nuts! That would be very versatile - you could take whichever cab depending on the nature of the gig, and combine them for big gigs. Actually several people have had the same idea.

The normal tuning of the Thunderchild 112 is 50 Hz, and then with one port plugged it drops to 37 Hz. The tuning of the Hathor 1203 is 44 Hz (calculated but not yet measured). Will that be a problem?

Not in this case. I modeled the phase responses, and worst case scenario is 12 degrees of phase difference at 62 Hz (between the optional 37 Hz Thunderchild tuning and the 44 Hz Hathor tuning). That's still almost perfectly in-phase; they'll be reinforcing one another. And they might even have better low-end pitch definition than either one alone! Let me explain:

Ports are evil. They don't stop making sound right away, they "overhang" and keep on producing sound after the note stops. A nasty byproduct is that, as a low note decays, of its energy can pitch-shift in the direction of the port's tuning frequency, if the fundamental or a low harmonic is near that tuning frequency. (This is particularly bad for a studio monitor.)

So, what's the solution? One approach is to use a sealed box, but now our woofer choices are very limited if we still want good bottom end. A good compromise is to use a lower tuning frequency, so that relatively few notes are affected (this is what I'm doing in my Hathor cabs). And a third solution is to use multiple vented chambers tuned to different frequencies, so that only some of the energy is pitch-shifting towards a nearby tuning frequency.

The Thunderchild 112 + Hathor 1203 combo would be one way to implement that third solution, and fortunately both cabinets have high mechanical power handling so it's not like one is going to leave the other in the dust. Now this is all armchair quarterbacking on my part, but it does make a case for someone at least trying the combination. Fortunately I already have a volunteer, and when I can, I'll get two such cabs to him, and I'm sure he'll let us know.
 
Will the above apply to the Thunderchild 115 + Hathor 1203 also?

To a certain extent. The 115 being several dB more efficient, it will probably dominate, whereas the two 8-ohm 112s use the exact same woofer so neither dominates. But the 1203 would not limit how much power you could hit the combination with, as it's right up there with the 115 in thermal and mechanical (excursion-limited) power handling... and is actually a bit higher in the latter.

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Hope it's okay if I post a derail of sorts.

Today, February 17, 2014, is the 150th anniversary of the final, historic mission of the C.S.S. Hunley. The Hunley was a hand-crank-operated submarine built in Mobile, Alabama and rushed to Charleston, South Carolina to try to break the Union blockade. On its first test run, it sunk, killing the crew of five. The Confederates raised it and tested it again, this time with a crew of eight. Again it sunk, killing the entire crew. Apparently there was no shortage of optimists on the Confederate side, because they raised the Hunley again and sent her into battle against the Union navy, armed with a spar "torpedo". This early torpedo was just a bomb on the end of a pole, and you rammed it against the enemy ship, hoping that it would detonate. It did. One hundred fifty years ago today, the Hunley became the first submarine to sink an enemy ship in action. And, you guessed it, the Hunley went down as well, taking another crew of eight with her.

I remember my father telling me the story of the CSS Hunley when I was a kid. When I've had a really bad day I remember the Hunley, and I remember what amounted to a good day for her, and suddenly my day doesn't seem so bad after all.
 
That may have been the best derail ever!

Thank you sir!

For those who don't know, JGR was (to the best of my knowledge at least) the first to use this particular 18 in a two-way ubercab. He named it General Sherman, who was famous (and infamous) as the father of "total war". And who was smart enough not to spend time on any Union ships just outside of Charleston.
 
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Hope it's okay if I post a derail of sorts.

Today, February 17, 2014, is the 150th anniversary of the final, historic mission of the C.S.S. Hunley. The Hunley was a hand-crank-operated submarine built in Mobile, Alabama and rushed to Charleston, South Carolina to try to break the Union blockade. On its first test run, it sunk, killing the crew of five. The Confederates raised it and tested it again, this time with a crew of eight. Again it sunk, killing the entire crew. Apparently there was no shortage of optimists on the Confederate side, because they raised the Hunley again and sent her into battle against the Union navy, armed with a spar "torpedo". This early torpedo was just a bomb on the end of a pole, and you rammed it against the enemy ship, hoping that it would detonate. It did. One hundred fifty years ago today, the Hunley became the first submarine to sink an enemy ship in action. And, you guessed it, the Hunley went down as well, taking another crew of eight with her.

I remember my father telling me the story of the CSS Hunley when I was a kid. When I've had a really bad day I remember the Hunley, and I remember what amounted to a good day for her, and suddenly my day doesn't seem so bad after all.

The day talkbass gave way to talksubs...

lol

...very interesting...especially on how different people deal with 'bad days'; myself: I always say, 'Well, I could still be married to my 1st wife.'

I really like history as well - so, Double-Thanks!
 
I remember my father telling me the story of the CSS Hunley when I was a kid. When I've had a really bad day I remember the Hunley, and I remember what amounted to a good day for her, and suddenly my day doesn't seem so bad after all.

Thanks Duke, for the new lexicon. Now when asked "How was your day?" I can respond "It was a real Hunley!"
 
Glad ya'll didn't mind my little derail. When I was a kid my dad took me to Battleship Park in Mobile Alabama, where they had a model of the Hunley, and obviously it made a big impression on me.

I think the first two Hathor 1203 cabs will be shipping out tomorrow, along with a couple of other cabs that I've been behind on (and I still have a few to go). About three weeks ago I broke my index finger and severely sprained the thumb on my right hand so a lot of things have taken me longer than expected. That was a bad day, but it was no Hunley! Seriously it could be much worse - if I played bass for a living I'd really be screwed.

One of the little 1203s will be making an appearance at Gerald Veasley's Bass Boot Camp, courtesy of Mark Sacchetti. Thank you, Mark!