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AudioKinesis Cabs Part VI...
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I had a CN112 for awhile. To my ears, and with my basses/technique/etc, it had a bit too much low-mid push and a bit of a hole in the upper-mids. Not a huge smile like some of the Epi cabs, but wasn't as forward as the ML112. Surprisingly it didn't extend that much higher than the ML112 (had both at the same time) though it did have more air/sizzle. The CN isn't voiced like the HD series. Weight and schlep is similar between CN112 and 1203. I think between those two the 1203 will carry a bit larger room/gig as well.
I will leave it to the reader to determine my knowledgeability level. I wasn't in scouts, so I don't have any merit badges (cue the Treasure of Sierra Madre clip again)
I will leave it to the reader to determine my knowledgeability level. I wasn't in scouts, so I don't have any merit badges (cue the Treasure of Sierra Madre clip again)
I have an IP112ER and a CN112.
Waiting on the TC112AF-8 (to replace the IP, I think), and was wondering if I ditch the CN112 if the Hathor will replace it. Sounds like it will, close enough, after hearing the above answer. And a bit louder.
I didn't like the CN112 voicing at home (hole in upper mids vs my previous Acmes) but it works well with a Streamliner 900 in a band context. The IP sounds great at home or in the band context and is relatively even, though still not Acme territory. Bit heavy though.
The master plan may go something like: TC112AF will give me clean and even, the Hathor a little bit more what is typical of an 'electric bass' voiced cabinet, and the two together a blend for bigger gigs. Both with a pretty minimal schlep and a variety of sounds depending on cab used for different types of gig. Does that sound crazy?
Waiting on the TC112AF-8 (to replace the IP, I think), and was wondering if I ditch the CN112 if the Hathor will replace it. Sounds like it will, close enough, after hearing the above answer. And a bit louder.
I didn't like the CN112 voicing at home (hole in upper mids vs my previous Acmes) but it works well with a Streamliner 900 in a band context. The IP sounds great at home or in the band context and is relatively even, though still not Acme territory. Bit heavy though.
The master plan may go something like: TC112AF will give me clean and even, the Hathor a little bit more what is typical of an 'electric bass' voiced cabinet, and the two together a blend for bigger gigs. Both with a pretty minimal schlep and a variety of sounds depending on cab used for different types of gig. Does that sound crazy?
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Not crazy at all. I've got a TC112-8 coming to work with as I'm curious about having the best of both worlds. I know the TC112-4 fairly well and it was a bit too polite in the upper mids for me. It does extend a bit lower than the 1203 and generally is a "bigger" sound while the 1203 is more "focused." I'm thinking that the combination might be really good. But you never know until you try, and as you point out, home use and gig use often give different results.
howdy. so mssr nostatic was nice enough to lend me one of the hathor 1203s for a few days.
i've been going back and forth between my tc112 and his 1203. imho, the cabs are very close, but with some interesting and noticeable differences. whether or not these would be huge differences in a dense band situation, i don't know.
in any event, i thought it might be interesting to do a gutbucket recorded comparison of the two cabs.
you can go to the link below to listen what i did.
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here's a description of what i tried to do:
i used five different fodera 6-string basses: fretted/fretless pair with roundwound strings and rosewood fingerboards;
fretted/fretless pair with flatwound strings and maple fingerboards; a fretted 12-string with roundwound strings and maple fingerboard.
i recorded five loops (one for each bass) into two boomerang 3 loopers. i tried to do a number of different techniques and sounds (though i forgot to use a pick on the roundwound stuff). i also tried to give a fairly good representation of notes on the low B string, chords, harmonics, etc. since some people want to hear how these cabinets sound with "dirt," i used a smallsound/bigsound tafm fuzz pedal (which has a clean blend that i was using) with an octave up mod. i used both the non-octave and octave settings.
using the same amp (tecamp puma 500) with the exact same settings, i played all five loops into both the thunderchild and the hathor, and recorded them live into a 2-track digital recorder. i tried to place the cabinets in exactly the same place and kept the mics in place as well. (i didn't clean my studio, so you hear the room vibrating, etc., at certain points.)
warts and all . . .
i've been going back and forth between my tc112 and his 1203. imho, the cabs are very close, but with some interesting and noticeable differences. whether or not these would be huge differences in a dense band situation, i don't know.
in any event, i thought it might be interesting to do a gutbucket recorded comparison of the two cabs.
you can go to the link below to listen what i did.
[Invalid or Expired Link Removed]
here's a description of what i tried to do:
i used five different fodera 6-string basses: fretted/fretless pair with roundwound strings and rosewood fingerboards;
fretted/fretless pair with flatwound strings and maple fingerboards; a fretted 12-string with roundwound strings and maple fingerboard.
i recorded five loops (one for each bass) into two boomerang 3 loopers. i tried to do a number of different techniques and sounds (though i forgot to use a pick on the roundwound stuff). i also tried to give a fairly good representation of notes on the low B string, chords, harmonics, etc. since some people want to hear how these cabinets sound with "dirt," i used a smallsound/bigsound tafm fuzz pedal (which has a clean blend that i was using) with an octave up mod. i used both the non-octave and octave settings.
using the same amp (tecamp puma 500) with the exact same settings, i played all five loops into both the thunderchild and the hathor, and recorded them live into a 2-track digital recorder. i tried to place the cabinets in exactly the same place and kept the mics in place as well. (i didn't clean my studio, so you hear the room vibrating, etc., at certain points.)
warts and all . . .
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You have way more patience than I do...
It sounds about like I'd expect. There is a bit more extended low "authority" with the TC, and a bit more low-mid thickness with the 1203, as well as that bite around 1Khz. Interesting to me that I find I prefer the maple fretboards and think that the Hathor executes the fretless basses a bit better than the TC. I think that probably is due to the extra bite helping with the attack - and another reason I prefer the maple fretboard instruments as that is closer to ebony which is my fav.
If anything it shows (imho) that the 1203 sounds way better than it has a right to given the size/weight. And also that Duke's cabs sound similar, yet they have a distinct voice. I'm beginning to think that a setup with a pair of H1203s and a TC112-8 might cover most anything you could throw at it. The pair of the 1203s still doesn't quite extend as low as the TC, but it will peel paint off the wall if you want, and the tone carries in the room. If you want a bit more extended response on both ends but with a little more upper-mid kick, then a TC112/1203 combo should do the trick - looking forward to trying that out. Stueart, did you run your TC112-4 and H1203 at the same time? Not sure if you've still got a stereo or 2-ohm capable head any more...
It sounds about like I'd expect. There is a bit more extended low "authority" with the TC, and a bit more low-mid thickness with the 1203, as well as that bite around 1Khz. Interesting to me that I find I prefer the maple fretboards and think that the Hathor executes the fretless basses a bit better than the TC. I think that probably is due to the extra bite helping with the attack - and another reason I prefer the maple fretboard instruments as that is closer to ebony which is my fav.
If anything it shows (imho) that the 1203 sounds way better than it has a right to given the size/weight. And also that Duke's cabs sound similar, yet they have a distinct voice. I'm beginning to think that a setup with a pair of H1203s and a TC112-8 might cover most anything you could throw at it. The pair of the 1203s still doesn't quite extend as low as the TC, but it will peel paint off the wall if you want, and the tone carries in the room. If you want a bit more extended response on both ends but with a little more upper-mid kick, then a TC112/1203 combo should do the trick - looking forward to trying that out. Stueart, did you run your TC112-4 and H1203 at the same time? Not sure if you've still got a stereo or 2-ohm capable head any more...
Good evening all. I've been searching for a compact 4ohm cab for my NYC gigs. I recently purchased a 4ohm lds 210 but the slap tone is not quite working for me. My fav cabs right now are still a pair of Berg AE112's. Although these cabs here have me very intrigued.
Is the TC112 similar to the AE112? If not, is there any 4ohm cab by this manufacturer that would get me close?
Thanks,
Mike
Is the TC112 similar to the AE112? If not, is there any 4ohm cab by this manufacturer that would get me close?
Thanks,
Mike
Not that similar to my ear. I gigged AE210s for a couple years, and briefly had an AE112. Those cabs could get pretty edgy in the upper mids (painfully so on occasion), which is exactly the opposite of the TC112. The TC is more towards a flat monitor sound. That said with eq and/or pedals you can get a bit more mid bump. For size/volume the 4 ohm TC112 is hard to beat.
This. The Thunderchild is much more relaxed in the upper mids. However, it can play louder than the AE210, and if you have suitably flexible EQ, you can shape it for pretty much whatever you want.
The one place where the Berg has an exclusive, is what Ken Jung refers to as "top of cone" distortion when pushed. The TC stays relentlessly clean throughout it's usable volume range.
If you want more complex upper mids out of an AudioKinesis cab, the Hathor line would be a better bet.
Mike, if you want to check out a TC112AF in person, I'm in Brooklyn and have one of the first ones out. Let me know and maybe we can meet up.
mark, i ran both cabs wide open. to do all the different permutations would have been a little too much even for me.
also, i ran the tc112 with just the bottom port plugged; the top port was open.
i meant to mention this, sorry i forgot to do so.
also, i ran the tc112 with just the bottom port plugged; the top port was open.
i meant to mention this, sorry i forgot to do so.
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Wow, thank you, Steubig! Man I really appreciate your going to that much time and trouble to generate and post side-by-side comparison recordings of my two 112 cabs.
And thanks to all of you who responded to maisbass. I couldn't have begun to answer his question (maisbass, I'm not even a musician... just a speakergeek).
A few hours ago I finally finished getting those home-audio speakers ready to make their debut at next weekend's show in Newport Beach, California. Dang those things took me several times longer than expected... like that never happens.
[voice of Karl from SlingBlade] I lika way you tawk. Mmm-hmm.[/Karl]
And thanks to all of you who responded to maisbass. I couldn't have begun to answer his question (maisbass, I'm not even a musician... just a speakergeek).
A few hours ago I finally finished getting those home-audio speakers ready to make their debut at next weekend's show in Newport Beach, California. Dang those things took me several times longer than expected... like that never happens.
[voice of Karl from SlingBlade] I lika way you tawk. Mmm-hmm.[/Karl]
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Wow, thanks so much for all of the responses everyone. I really appreciate it. From your responses it seems that the Tc112 will be enough to cover a gig. Since it's more relaxed in the mids, this actually would be a good thing for me.
On my Friday NYC gigs, I usually have to park my vehicle in a garage and leave straight from work, so I try to minimize the gear I bring. Since I have to do this I leave Monique and my Fodera at home, and gig with the "B" team which is my Glock Blue Soul and my Nordy VPJ5. The Nordy plays really well, but is a little too aggressive in the upper mids for me so I'm always cutting them, that's why I think the TC112 may be a good fit. My main concern is only having to transport 1 cab and that it's neutral and loud enough to cover the gig. Seems like this may be the case.
There is a TC112 for sale in the classifieds that I requested to purchase, and I assume it's a v1 since it was made 3 yrs ago. I'm going to take a chance on it and see how it goes.
Thanks again for all of the responses, and thank you intrepid cellist. If this deal falls through I may take you up on your offer. Much appreciated!
On my Friday NYC gigs, I usually have to park my vehicle in a garage and leave straight from work, so I try to minimize the gear I bring. Since I have to do this I leave Monique and my Fodera at home, and gig with the "B" team which is my Glock Blue Soul and my Nordy VPJ5. The Nordy plays really well, but is a little too aggressive in the upper mids for me so I'm always cutting them, that's why I think the TC112 may be a good fit. My main concern is only having to transport 1 cab and that it's neutral and loud enough to cover the gig. Seems like this may be the case.
There is a TC112 for sale in the classifieds that I requested to purchase, and I assume it's a v1 since it was made 3 yrs ago. I'm going to take a chance on it and see how it goes.
Thanks again for all of the responses, and thank you intrepid cellist. If this deal falls through I may take you up on your offer. Much appreciated!
I should also add the reason for wanting a 4 ohm cab. My Glock at 8ohms is always on the verge of distortion when pushed, but at 4 ohms it's perfect. It's also the closest amp I found that can get a sound similar to Monique, minus the feel.
