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AudioKinesis Cabs Part VI...

#981
shwashwa said:
so whats the basic difference in sound between the TC 112 and the Hathor 1203. sometimes i feel the tc 112 goes too deep, even with the ports in and i use a ton of high pass filter but still dont really get the definition i want. is the hathor what i want? (i play upright bass)
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The Hathor 1203 is an exercise in compatification. It's wrapping the smallest cab I can around a really good 12" uberwoofer, and just barely delivering that first overtone of low-B (at about -3 dB).

If what you want is superb definition in the lows, contact Mike Arnopol. His Big E cabs, with their Manipulated Vortex Waveguide enclosure, deliver the best low-end articulation in the business, to the best of my knowledge. This is one of the reasons why I'm focusing on these compact-but-loud cabs: His technology doesn't compactificate as readily, so that's an area of the high-end bass cab market where I think the window of opportunity is still open.
 
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#987
Mark Sacchetti said:

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I'm certainly no Doctor of Thinkology, but I'm guessing geometry wasn't his best subject.

Stranger Danger said:
Just acquired a Genz Benz Shuttle 9.0 and looking for the right cab. A one cab solution would be ideal of course. I like good old grindy rock tone and loud as hell.
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My grindiest cab is the Hathor 1855, BUT its efficiency is only medium, and you did say "loud as hell".

Check out the Baer line of cabs, I think they're a better fit for your needs. The only one I've heard is the ML112, but I like its grindiness, and its efficiency is higher than that of my 12" cabs. Roger gains back the low-end extension that is normally traded off for efficiency by using a bigger box. He also gives you very good value for your money.
 
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#990
I have been a fan of the ML112 ever since I played one (and also the Berg AE210 before that - similar vibe). I played a lot of gigs with a single ML112. That said, I always wished I can something smaller and lighter (especially shallower for tight stages). There were things I really liked about the TC112, but I like the mid-forward sound. I tried some of MikeA's cabs and they were close, with Mike even coming up with the Flex design in part based on feedback I gave him.

Enter the H1203. I got lucky enough to put them through their paces and after almost a dozen gigs and rehearsals in different bands and rooms, I can say that it is "just right" for me. Not as mid-forward as the ML112, but more edge than the TC112 and still very articulate. Also a bit thicker through the low-mids than that Baer, but not too much. The size/weight of the H1203 just cannot be beat, and it also has a handle that is comfortable and doesn't get in the way of the amp head. The slots on the mid chamber help you hear the cabinet when you're right on top of it, and a single cab has a big sound (as evidenced by my outdoor gig).
 
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#991
nostatic said:
I have been a fan of the ML112 ever since I played one (and also the Berg AE210 before that - similar vibe). I played a lot of gigs with a single ML112. That said, I always wished I can something smaller and lighter (especially shallower for tight stages). There were things I really liked about the TC112, but I like the mid-forward sound. I tried some of MikeA's cabs and they were close, with Mike even coming up with the Flex design in part based on feedback I gave him.

Enter the H1203. I got lucky enough to put them through their paces and after almost a dozen gigs and rehearsals in different bands and rooms, I can say that it is "just right" for me. Not as mid-forward as the ML112, but more edge than the TC112 and still very articulate. Also a bit thicker through the low-mids than that Baer, but not too much. The size/weight of the H1203 just cannot be beat, and it also has a handle that is comfortable and doesn't get in the way of the amp head. The slots on the mid chamber help you hear the cabinet when you're right on top of it, and a single cab has a big sound (as evidenced by my outdoor gig).
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You played an outdoor gig with a single H1203? What head did you use?
 
#992
I have and love the ML112 as well, and I agree that one of them can cover most gigs but with one exception.... Slapping. I do like the slap tone this cab puts out, old school like the slap tone from "slide" by Pleasure, but with one ML112, IME I always struggled hearing myself. Unless I bent down in front of the cab, I just couldn't hear myself slap.

So any gig I had that required slapping, I noticed I started to leave my ML112 home. Most of my gigs only require 1 cab, so I'm hoping the TC112 I just picked up will solve this issue.
 
#995
maisbass said:
I have and love the ML112 as well, and I agree that one of them can cover most gigs but with one exception.... Slapping. I do like the slap tone this cab puts out, old school like the slap tone from "slide" by Pleasure, but with one ML112, IME I always struggled hearing myself. Unless I bent down in front of the cab, I just couldn't hear myself slap.

So any gig I had that required slapping, I noticed I started to leave my ML112 home. Most of my gigs only require 1 cab, so I'm hoping the TC112 I just picked up will solve this issue.
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One thing that Steuart and I both noticed in the at-home test, and I've noticed on a gig, is that the H1203 is "better" (to my ear) with slap. The ML112 does tend to go away a bit, mostly because it has so much going on in the upper mids that the lower mids (which are important for the punch) can't really come forward. Neither cab will get the "Marcus tone", but I find that the H1203 executes slap better.

As for a pick, that depends a lot on technique and the music. I find when I play with a pick if I'm not also palm muting the tone really thins out no matter what cab I'm using.
 
#996
nostatic said:
One thing that Steuart and I both noticed in the at-home test, and I've noticed on a gig, is that the H1203 is "better" (to my ear) with slap. The ML112 does tend to go away a bit, mostly because it has so much going on in the upper mids that the lower mids (which are important for the punch) can't really come forward. Neither cab will get the "Marcus tone", but I find that the H1203 executes slap better.

As for a pick, that depends a lot on technique and the music. I find when I play with a pick if I'm not also palm muting the tone really thins out no matter what cab I'm using.
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My recorded tone with a pick through the REDDI is pretty darn good. I really just want to get an equally good sound "in the room". I've heard a TC112 in a bar and I thought the bass was coming through the PA. It just filled the room.
 
#997
What micro heads are everyone using with their TC112s - specifically the 2nd version (8 ohm)? I'm considering one of the GK MB Fusion heads and wondering about others experiences.

FYI, I've used in the past (with Acme cabs): Puma 500 1U (very clean, liked it well enough but a bit on the neutral side for me), Markbass F1 (very clean, but ultimately too neutral for my taste), TC RH450 (too much loss of high end for me but liked some of the grit; low end seemed to lose out also), Shuttle 9.0 (too 'dry' for my tastes, didn't get on with it at all), and most recently the Streamliner 900 (set to flat settings from Steve Rolfeca's thread and rarely changed from that; clean but tubey and warm, and a beautiful sounding DI out). The Streamliner is what gets most of the gigs these days but I don't tend to play with the EQ apart from turning down the bass as needed for the room.

I'm playing a variety of basses (Alder/rosewood Jazz type bass, Ash/maple Jazz type bass, P Bass with pressurewounds, and now a Modulus Q5) in a variety of gigs/settings (jazz, jazz fusiony stuff, pop/covers, big bands, anything really) and really am trying to cover as much ground as is possible. I have picked up a Zoom B3 and a MS60B and have played around with the amp and cab sims in there too, but the most useful gadget I have so far found for live work is actually the high pass filter built into the Fishman preamp simulation. Compression sometimes. I liked the Markbass and cleaner Sansamp emulator sounds (as well as to some degree the B15 emulator) the best.

As you can tell I end up doing a lot of different things/gigs and getting a variety of very different sounds. I tend to gravitate to warmer sounds but have been liking the GK tone as a sort of opposite end of the spectrum recently. Might be the Fusion would work not too bad for me and have a bit more warmth than the typical GK with the TC112v2, but a bit more mid presence than my Streamliner.

What's everyone using?
 
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#998
nostatic said:
One thing that Steuart and I both noticed in the at-home test, and I've noticed on a gig, is that the H1203 is "better" (to my ear) with slap. The ML112 does tend to go away a bit, mostly because it has so much going on in the upper mids that the lower mids (which are important for the punch) can't really come forward. Neither cab will get the "Marcus tone", but I find that the H1203 executes slap better.
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While I love Marcus, I'm definitely not into his slap tone, too bright for me.

Earlier today I did a quick side by side comparison of the TC112 v1 and the ML112. Two totally different beasts. After playing through the TC112, the ML sounded so bright to me. The TC112 puts out a ton of low end. The ML sounded a bit cleaner, and clearer, but to be fair, I purchased the TC used so who knows what it's been through.

However, I am impressed how well the TC responds to eq. Btw, I should note I did the test with my Fodera, Monique and Minnie.

Testing the TC112 in battle tonight at my gig.
 
#999
Not to get off the thread here but does anyone here know what the gk mb fusion puts out at 8ohms? I have only seen ratings for 4 ohms, not 8ohms. I definitely would want to know that info before using it with an 8ohm cab.

My Glock does 350w at 8 ohms, but definitely not a clean 350w. That amp was designed to break up a little when pushed, hence the reason for me looking for a 4 ohm cab to pair with it, enter the TC112 v1. At 4 ohms it does 650w.
 

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