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AudioKinesis Cabs Part VI...

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nostatic said:
350w @ 8 ohms. Much edgier voicing when set flat.
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Thx Todd.

I never played this room before. The room is a bit dead sounding and a bit boomy. First set I had the TC112 on the floor but it was too much bottom for the room. Unfortunately the seller forgot to send me the tuning plugs for the cab (sending them now, should get Tuesday).

So second set had to decouple and put it on my cart. Sounds really good and I can hear myself fine. I'm not really pushing it but this cab can take a lot of power. It's not as crisp as my Ml112, but in the band context, it's cutting nice and sounds really good and full. It eq's really well too and I was able to get some nice mids out of it. I bet this cab would slay in an outdoor gig. Definitely need to audition more but now I'm eager to try the hathor1203 to see the difference. Hmmmmm. May have to order one! It never ends! My wife is going to evict me soon! But I told her until I have more gear than she has shoes, leave me alone!! Lol.

Here's a pic of my setup tonight. Bad lighting so sorry for the grainy pic.
 

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nostatic said:
I have been a fan of the ML112 ever since I played one (and also the Berg AE210 before that - similar vibe). I played a lot of gigs with a single ML112. That said, I always wished I can something smaller and lighter (especially shallower for tight stages). There were things I really liked about the TC112, but I like the mid-forward sound. I tried some of MikeA's cabs and they were close, with Mike even coming up with the Flex design in part based on feedback I gave him.

Enter the H1203. I got lucky enough to put them through their paces and after almost a dozen gigs and rehearsals in different bands and rooms, I can say that it is "just right" for me. Not as mid-forward as the ML112, but more edge than the TC112 and still very articulate. Also a bit thicker through the low-mids than that Baer, but not too much. The size/weight of the H1203 just cannot be beat, and it also has a handle that is comfortable and doesn't get in the way of the amp head. The slots on the mid chamber help you hear the cabinet when you're right on top of it, and a single cab has a big sound (as evidenced by my outdoor gig).
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this sounds like what im looking for. not necessarily less lows, i can do that with my HPF which i run all the time anyway, but more mids, more thick lower mids. for some reason i feel like they're being masked with my TC112. maybe im just not eqing right? i usually leave the ports in and run the hpf and boost the low mids. im thinking a 6 inch speaker (or whatever size the mid driver is) might help me out more versus a horn. thoughts?
 
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shwashwa said:
this sounds like what im looking for. not necessarily less lows, i can do that with my HPF which i run all the time anyway, but more mids, more thick lower mids. for some reason i feel like they're being masked with my TC112. maybe im just not eqing right? i usually leave the ports in and run the hpf and boost the low mids. im thinking a 6 inch speaker (or whatever size the mid driver is) might help me out more versus a horn. thoughts?
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Hmmm. I gigged with my TC112 for the first time last night and I felt it was much thicker in the lower mids than the Baer ML112. It seemed to me there was much more meat to my notes with the TC112. I was really happy with it. The only thing I might have been wanting was a little more sheen to my notes, but in the band mix, I didn't feel I was missing any sheen.

Funny, when I was first setting up and eq'ing my sound by myself, I was a bit concerned that it wasn't as clear sounding as my Ml112. But as I stated earlier, it could be due to the TC being a used cab.

Nevertheless, in the end, when playing with the band, it really cut through. I had to boost the mids and highs a bit on my Monique, something I normally do not do with my ML112, but I certainly did not feel I was lacking any lower mids in my sound. Actually I was very happy with how the cab sounded. I did not have the ports plugged, but I did have my cab decoupled from the floor due to the room being boomy.

I used to use an fdeck but stopped doing so because I found it was robbing some tone from my bass. I tried it in all different parts of the signal chain, and it honestly sounded best without it. Now I only use it on my keyboard cause sometimes I play keyboard bass. However I am playing electric, not UB, so in that instance I could see using the fdeck.
 
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shwashwa said:
.... for some reason i feel like they're being masked with my TC112.
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I use a TC115-8. One of the things I like about the ThunderChild line of cabs is that they have a flat frequency response. I know my bass is voiced and my amp is voiced. My speaker cab is not. So I know the tone I'm hearing is due to my bass and amp. My cab is adding to and/or taking away nothing from that tone.

I feel there is a place for voiced cabs. They can be a large part of achieving certain tone goals. In my case, I'm trying to minimize the amount of variables.
 
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LeonD said:
I use a TC115-8. One of the things I like about the ThunderChild line of cabs is that they have a flat frequency response. I know my bass is voiced and my amp is voiced. My speaker cab is not. So I know the tone I'm hearing is due to my bass and amp. My cab is adding to and/or taking away nothing from that tone.

I feel there is a place for voiced cabs. They can be a large part of achieving certain tone goals. In my case, I'm trying to minimize the amount of variables.
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+1.

Let the games begin!

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After testing all the cabs above, it's tough. There are things I like about each cab. I guess if I had to make a choice, I would want to meld together the Tc112 and the ML112. This seems to be the perfect marriage for my tone goals.

I think since the TC112 is so flat, I would probably find myself changing my strings more frequently then with the other cabs. I still feel it's a great cab and a keeper, as a solid 4 ohm 1 cab solution.

The bergs as everyone knows are very mid forward, but I can eq that out, and they are a great size, so I make them work for me.

The LDS210 is a solid cab. It produces some big bottom for a 210 cab, and it's pretty tight and articulate.

So you 1203 users, would that cab put me in the ballpark of ML112/TC112 tone combination?
 
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maisbass said:
Hmmm. I gigged with my TC112 for the first time last night and I felt it was much thicker in the lower mids than the Baer ML112. It seemed to me there was much more meat to my notes with the TC112. I was really happy with it. The only thing I might have been wanting was a little more sheen to my notes, but in the band mix, I didn't feel I was missing any sheen.

Funny, when I was first setting up and eq'ing my sound by myself, I was a bit concerned that it wasn't as clear sounding as my Ml112. But as I stated earlier, it could be due to the TC being a used cab.

Nevertheless, in the end, when playing with the band, it really cut through. I had to boost the mids and highs a bit on my Monique, something I normally do not do with my ML112, but I certainly did not feel I was lacking any lower mids in my sound. Actually I was very happy with how the cab sounded. I did not have the ports plugged, but I did have my cab decoupled from the floor due to the room being boomy.

I used to use an fdeck but stopped doing so because I found it was robbing some tone from my bass. I tried it in all different parts of the signal chain, and it honestly sounded best without it. Now I only use it on my keyboard cause sometimes I play keyboard bass. However I am playing electric, not UB, so in that instance I could see using the fdeck.
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thanks, but actually i was asking about the TC112 versus the Hathor 1203, not the baer.
 
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nostatic said:
In between the two. Kind of an ideal compromise if you find the Baer either a bit too aggressive (or large) and the TC a bit too smooth.
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Thanks. That's good to hear. I'm looking for something a bit smoother and smaller.

Is the top end on the 1203 as open as the ML112?

The TC112 surprisingly enough to my ears is not as open up top as the ML112, but I'm willing to make that sacrifice with the TC due to the numerous other pluses it offers.
 
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Depends on your definition of open. The TC is more extended but not nearly as aggressive in the upper mids. The TC is kind of unique among bass cabs. Not really edgy anywhere - very smooth and relaxed. Kind of the opposite of the ML112 (mid/upper-mid present) or a tweeter cab (top end sparkle). The H1203 definitely is more forward in the upper mids than the TC and it has a different high end character.

I really like the ML112, with my only real complaint being size/weight and that here are times I wish it had a pad or an attenuation switch for the 6" as it could be edgy depending on the bass and head. The H1203 pretty much addresses all of those. It has a bit different voice and at some point there is no hiding from physics. The ML112 extends a bit deeper, but so far I find that the H1203 actually may be a bit better in my mixes. A bit more low mid support, and a bit less bite.
 
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I really like the Ml112 as well, and is amazing with my Monique/Minnie rig, but it doesn't work with my Glock rig due to needing a 4 ohm load for my gig, and I don't want to lug 2 ML112's around. So funny though, back in the day I used to lug around an Earth double 15 cab. Times have changed! These days I want to work smarter not harder.

As for "open", I don't mean mid forward so much, just a bit more air up top. Not too much sparkle, just some presence. Just a bit of 10k. So if the 1203 has this a bit more than the TC112, then this may be another option to add to my collection.

Last night it sounded to me the TC112 rolled off on the highs a little lower than I would prefer, but it could have been the room... Because tonight, it sounds a bit brighter. Probably due to the fact this is a bigger room, wood floors, etc.

I think I need to spend some more time with this cab before I pass judgement. All in all I really happy with it and I think it's a keeper.
 
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maisbass said:
Last night it sounded to me the TC112 rolled off on the highs a little lower than I would prefer, but it could have been the room... Because tonight, it sounds a bit brighter. Probably due to the fact this is a bigger room, wood floors, etc.
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Which version TC112 are you using?
 

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