huh. he must have deleted the part about being in a deaf band that engages in volume wars. my bad
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Thanks for the concern bigsky. I'm in my early 40s. I already have a fair amount of hearing loss from many concerts early in life. That said, I am careful. Thank you, I appreciate your concern and words of wisdom.
odd that you mention the 700rb.... was looking at one of those earlier today.
Love that GK tone.The rewiring of the cab helped immensely. After testing it, I thought I was going to have to recaulk the nearby window.
My next move will likely be to move away from the Bmax T and Crown combo, likely to be replaced with a GK MB800 or Aguilar ToneHammer 500.
Well it is a LOT louder and I didn't smell anything burning, so I'm marking this as a success.So, it's working correctly, then?
I believe that you should.Well it is a LOT louder and I didn't smell anything burning, so I'm marking this as a success.
Rock the Avatar! Probably sacrilege to some of my fellow GK fanboys, but I think the GK heads pair best with the Avatar cabs IME
That has been my experience. I'm driving my Avatar B210 and/or SB112 with a GK MB500 and I've never been happier with my tone.
I toured with a 700rb-ii and a Henry the 8x8 and never had a problem with two full stacks on stage. The 700rb-ii is a great amp and quite powerful, I almost never use the 1001rb-ii because it is a HULK... Sooo loud, my Carvin BX1500 can get loud, but the 1001rb-ii is like hyper watts compared to anything I've used otherwise. I have yet to use a cab that the 700rb-ii didn't sound good through, I could cop pretty any tone I wanted, very flexible, but not even close to the flexibility of my BX1500 (almost too much).
To the OP:
Awesome you have your cab figured out and in working order, nothing worse than anemic out of phase tone... or lack there of. Now go recaulk the wondow, put in some ear plugs and show your bandmates whats up
-Benny
When my back was still fairly decent and I could load it. I played through a GBE1200 atop an UBER 212. It was more than loud enough for any situation I found myself in. Once jammed with a guitarist who had a Twin cranked and I mean cranked. Pedals in the front end and the amp on 10. Drummer had a big kit played loud but had decent dynamics (unlike the guitarist) The 1200 and the UBER hung in there without breaking a sweat. Rolled on lots of mids. Sounded to my ear way too middy soloed but killed in the mix (mids are a bassist's best friends). Granted the UBER is miles above the Avatar but still 12's are 12's. I think the OP needs to ditch the bmax and get a real pre or just go with a nice head.
Thanks for another GK referral McG. As I mentioned before, right now the runoff is really between the ToneHammer 500 and either the MB500 or MB800. Tested out a Markbass MKIII and Big Bang today and they are officially out of the running. Just cant seem to get MY tone out of them even after 10 or 15 minutes of tweaking. Really wanted to like them, but can't. Not when I can plug into a GK or the ToneHammer and get a workable tone that sounds like ME within about 30 seconds. Right now I'm leaning toward that MB800 for the spare power, but we will see....
I'm not familiar with the UBER 212. I will look into that for the sake of education.
So when you say "ditch the bmax and get a real pre" (no offense taken at all btw) is there a pre that you would recommend? Or in your experience/opinion, what is, or what constitutes "a real pre"?
As for the mids, I keep the mids for the bmax set to it's "flat" setting. I rarely back off of it at all. Playing a P5, I love the mids it produces, and backing off of the mids on the Bmax just sounds anemic. Seems the quickest way to neuter anything resembling a decent tone.
From the sounds of several postings here, I would seem that I haven't given the GK 700RB it's due. Thought that it might be underpowered for what I was trying to do and that I would need to look at the 1001, but everyone keeps saying that it gives way more power than it's rated for. Maybe the 700RB needs to be in the running along with the MB800 and ToneHammer 500. I do like the "wallop" of the RB power section better than that of the MB....
Had also been considering an Ashdown Retroglide 800, but nobody locally has one to try out, and Ashdown doesn't seem to get much love here on TB for some reason. Don't know if they have reliability issues or what...
8 ohm load generally moves less actual air than a 4 ohm load. With bass there are two things. 1) speakers need to move air. 2) bass frequencies are typically harder to hear up close. So try standing on the other side of the room from all of the highs from the drums and try running them parallel and running at 4 ohms.
While I will agree with standing to close to the speakers can cause you to not hear the bass, as the wavelength for the frequency may not have had the space to develop, I have to disagree with cabinet impedance making a difference in relative volume. Typically the only difference that 8ohms versus 4 ohms makes (or 2 ohms if your amp can handle it) is that you're working the power section harder and getting the maximum amount of wattage possible out of the amp. Doubling power provides a 3db increase. A 3db increase also happens when you double the amount of speaker surface area in play. So, I respectfully disagree that a 4 ohm cabinet is louder by nature than an 8ohm cabinet. The impedance effect on the power amp, however, will make a significant difference.
When I used to run a bi-amp rig the two preamps I used the most were the Fender TBP-1 Tube Bass Preamp or an old Yamaha PB-1 Bass Preamplifier. Those Yamaha's were/are great pre's and I still see them pop up here on TB. The Fender is one of my favorite pre's but they ain't cheap even used. I also had a Peavey rack pre back in the 80's. Can't remember what model but it was clean and simple to use. Built like a tank. Took it on the road for 5 straight years hooked up to a Peavey CS-800 and it never let me down.
Here's a shot of the rigs I had at that time. The GBE1200 and the UBER 212 were my go to rig. Genz Benz made some excellent gear. IMO the UBER sounded better than the B410 NEO sitting next to it. The UBER just had a great punchy mid tone that cut through with authority. The1200 atop both the UBER and the B410 NEO and you would fear no guitarist. That little Genz Benz Neo-Pak 3.5 also drove those cabs quite well.
Ah yes, the Fender TB1.... Looked at those pretty seriously when Fender was still making them. They seemed really nice. Ironically the reason I went with the Bmax was to get a "Fender-ish" sound. Problem is that's the only thing that the Bmax can do. It does it well, but that's all that it does.When I used to run a bi-amp rig the two preamps I used the most were the Fender TBP-1 Tube Bass Preamp or an old Yamaha PB-1 Bass Preamplifier. Those Yamaha's were/are great pre's and I still see them pop up here on TB. The Fender is one of my favorite pre's but they ain't cheap even used. I also had a Peavey rack pre back in the 80's. Can't remember what model but it was clean and simple to use. Built like a tank. Took it on the road for 5 straight years hooked up to a Peavey CS-800 and it never let me down.
Here's a shot of the rigs I had at that time. The GBE1200 and the UBER 212 were my go to rig. Genz Benz made some excellent gear. IMO the UBER sounded better than the B410 NEO sitting next to it. The UBER just had a great punchy mid tone that cut through with authority. The1200 atop both the UBER and the B410 NEO and you would fear no guitarist. That little Genz Benz Neo-Pak 3.5 also drove those cabs quite well.
Didn't realize that the Uber line was from Genz. Always heard good things about them back in the day, but things have changed....
Peavey CS-800s..... That brings back some memories... Those things were TANKS. Moved a rack with 5 CS power amps in it once, thought I was going to need to go to the chiropractor afterward...
Sweet P bass!!!
Since you like to be (and generally are) technically correct, it's not "out of phase" - it's out of POLARITY.
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