FWIW, I had an outdoor gig today and I used both my cabs (212+210 Neo) and the drummer was floored by the amount of air it moved. He didn't need any bass in his monitors, at an OUTDOOR gig. That's monumental. I love my Avatars. 
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Avatar Owners Club
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Just joined here but I have a Neo 4x10 and use a Markbass Little Mark II head with it...Best rig Ive ever owned...Crystal clear, tons of bottom end and mids to die for...Dave is certainly building a great product, and keeping it at a great number...
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A little info please for a guy who's thinking about joining the club.
I'm seriously considering the Avatar 212 Neo (or maybe TWO), but I want to know what the "nature" of the cab is... I go for a fairly rude sound, and have found that "hi-fi" cabs like certain SWRs are too polite for my needs. I'm not a multi-size driver, full-spectrum reproduction type of player. I'm a rocker.
I know this is expressed in subjective terms, but I think you'll know what I mean: I'm sure they are great, but I'm looking for a cab that can do it loud and gritty.
Thanks
Lowbrow
A little info please for a guy who's thinking about joining the club.
I'm seriously considering the Avatar 212 Neo (or maybe TWO), but I want to know what the "nature" of the cab is... I go for a fairly rude sound, and have found that "hi-fi" cabs like certain SWRs are too polite for my needs. I'm not a multi-size driver, full-spectrum reproduction type of player. I'm a rocker.
I know this is expressed in subjective terms, but I think you'll know what I mean: I'm sure they are great, but I'm looking for a cab that can do it loud and gritty.
Thanks
Lowbrow
You're right; it IS really subjective. And while SWR is kinda 'clinical' IMO, you can get some drive out of them via amp settings or using a Sansamp VT Bass...as with any cabinet....
BUT, some cabs are going to lend themselves to a gritty, rockin' character straightaway much better. I'm thinking Ampeg, here. You really ought to try them out.
But for the money, I love my Avatar 212. I felt with the Ampegs I tried that the 410 didn't quite bring enough low girth, but the 15 was too room-boomy. This is SUBJECTIVE. They did deliver very rockin' tones, though.
I like the Avatar 212 configuration a lot because it's got some 10 tightness and thump, with some 15 depth without the boom. It's really clear, but not cold like an SWR (again IMO, YMMV, etc standard disclaimer). It's got a bit of darkness to it's character that I like, but it's not muddy, and with the tweeter you can add definition and sparkle as you like.
With my GK 700RBII, it sounds awesome and full. With my VT Bass engaged...it's just mean.
You're right; it IS really subjective. And while SWR is kinda 'clinical' IMO, you can get some drive out of them via amp settings or using a Sansamp VT Bass...as with any cabinet....
BUT, some cabs are going to lend themselves to a gritty, rockin' character straightaway much better. I'm thinking Ampeg, here. You really ought to try them out.
But for the money, I love my Avatar 212. I felt with the Ampegs I tried that the 410 didn't quite bring enough low girth, but the 15 was too room-boomy. This is SUBJECTIVE. They did deliver very rockin' tones, though.
I like the Avatar 212 configuration a lot because it's got some 10 tightness and thump, with some 15 depth without the boom. It's really clear, but not cold like an SWR (again IMO, YMMV, etc standard disclaimer). It's got a bit of darkness to it's character that I like, but it's not muddy, and with the tweeter you can add definition and sparkle as you like.
With my GK 700RBII, it sounds awesome and full. With my VT Bass engaged...it's just mean.
Sounds promising, thanks!
You're welcome...good luck! DO try the Ampegs first....they really are the tip for a classic sound, and great rock sound. The Avatar is more 'pronounced' and forward, which will cut through better, but Ampeg is 'it' for some people, you know?
Thanks -- I'm well familiar with Ampeg, and truly was looking for something that was cheaper, lighter, and not experiencing QC issues. I own an Ampeg, and it's scared me away from the company until I hear SEVERAL reports that they are refocusing on quality construction.
Lowbrow
Oh okay...you already are well familiar with Ampeg then...good and bad.
Sounds like Avatar might be a really good fit for you!
Do Avatar cabs stack very well? I've got a few ideas for a rig I'd like and it'd involve an Avatar 410 stacked on my B212. My Behringer 410 cab doesn't allow my Avatar cab to sit nicely on it. The 212 is a bit smaller so I feel more comfortable with it on top, but it has to be pushed slightly back because of the Behringer's corners.
Do any of you use other cabinets with 15's in them with your Avatars? If so, what brand do you use? I wish Avatar would start making these again.
GK 115SBX-II with my b210 neo
sounds fine to me. the avatar has a much better tweeter
so i use that one instead of the GK one.
the b210 is nice with the lows especially for a 210, but tens will just never boom the way a 115 does
sounds fine to me. the avatar has a much better tweeter
so i use that one instead of the GK one.the b210 is nice with the lows especially for a 210, but tens will just never boom the way a 115 does
not a fan of backline/goldine GK cabs... too cheapo for me...
the SBX / RBH ones are great though. pretty tight sounding (as far as a 115 goes...) good low mids, nothing overbearingly muddy. I would recommend GK over ashdown.
the SBX / RBH ones are great though. pretty tight sounding (as far as a 115 goes...) good low mids, nothing overbearingly muddy. I would recommend GK over ashdown.
I'll try again.
I looking at joining the club, But I'm not sure what 210 I want.
What are the tonal differences between an Eden XLT210 and the Avatar 210neo?
The price is right for avatar, just hoping the sound is.
I looking at joining the club, But I'm not sure what 210 I want.
What are the tonal differences between an Eden XLT210 and the Avatar 210neo?
The price is right for avatar, just hoping the sound is.
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