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#961
Hi Avatar Owners,

Well, I got to test my SB112 8ohm Neo again this weekend with my Markbass F1. As per some recommendations, I started out with the EQ flat and began to volume it up to match a drummer and guitarist. 10:00 got me in the mix pretty good and... sounded pretty clean. Set the EQ to my usual setting: 4 band = 1:00, 12:30, 11:00, 1:00 and still no farting. Hmm, I know I wasn't imagining things last time around, it WAS distorting a bit! Didn't bother with the speaker input plugging, just jammed and all seemed fine. No explanation.

After a break, I did an A/B comparison with my Hartke 2200 pro 2x12, and damn, they sound nearly identical to my ear! The Avatar actually is a little thinner, but it's very close. This surprised me, as I figured the paper driver would sound quite different from the aluminum ones. I was hoping the Avatar would tame some harshness I get with the occassional slap/pop but perhaps it's more my EQ or even my playing style. I try not to dig in to deep on a pop, but I guess my technique still needs some work. Again, this is with active electronic basses with dual soap-bar setups. At this point I don't know if I'd pick up another Avatar since it's so similar to what I'm already running. Maybe other brands would sound different to my ears. Any Berg, Epi or Aggy owners in this group care to comment?


thanks,

Steve
 
#962
I'm guessing the harshness you hear when you slap is likely the tweeter and not the driver. Meaning, if you wanted to you could try swapping out tweeters and see if that improves it. However, in a band setting I don't think you'd notice a difference.

spz8 said:
Hi Avatar Owners,

Well, I got to test my SB112 8ohm Neo again this weekend with my Markbass F1. As per some recommendations, I started out with the EQ flat and began to volume it up to match a drummer and guitarist. 10:00 got me in the mix pretty good and... sounded pretty clean. Set the EQ to my usual setting: 4 band = 1:00, 12:30, 11:00, 1:00 and still no farting. Hmm, I know I wasn't imagining things last time around, it WAS distorting a bit! Didn't bother with the speaker input plugging, just jammed and all seemed fine. No explanation.

After a break, I did an A/B comparison with my Hartke 2200 pro 2x12, and damn, they sound nearly identical to my ear! The Avatar actually is a little thinner, but it's very close. This surprised me, as I figured the paper driver would sound quite different from the aluminum ones. I was hoping the Avatar would tame some harshness I get with the occassional slap/pop but perhaps it's more my EQ or even my playing style. I try not to dig in to deep on a pop, but I guess my technique still needs some work. Again, this is with active electronic basses with dual soap-bar setups. At this point I don't know if I'd pick up another Avatar since it's so similar to what I'm already running. Maybe other brands would sound different to my ears. Any Berg, Epi or Aggy owners in this group care to comment?


thanks,

Steve
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#963
kaiser_sosea said:
I'm guessing the harshness you hear when you slap is likely the tweeter and not the driver. Meaning, if you wanted to you could try swapping out tweeters and see if that improves it. However, in a band setting I don't think you'd notice a difference.
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Or you could put a mid-driver in there, a la FuzzBoxVoodoo. See post #896 on page 45 of this thread for his pic. The thought intrigues me!

5sg.
 
#964
weekendxwarrior said:
i'll add the offical number to my sig as soon as i finally post the proof... all 6.5 feet of proof.

from top to bottom:
Ampeg V4b
Avatar 210 neo (thanks mooselumps)
Avatar 212 w/Deltas(thanks FuzzBoxVoodoo)
Avatar 410 neo (thanks tmw)
woodfloor that's loving the vibrations

thanks to the TB members who made my dreams possible.
sorry for the cellphone cam pic... my girlfriend is less impressed with my rig than with my dog in bunny ears, so he's getting the real camera attention.
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Nice rig! Could you explain the difference in sound between the 212 and the 410?
 
#965
I have a B410 NEO and a SB112 NEO at the moment. I'm going to sell the 1x12 as it is just too small for my main band, and farts on the B string at times.

I've owned the 2x12 and 2x10s over years and will probably get another 2x10 later this year. Today I am using an Ashdown ABM EVO II with my B410 but by Monday I will be using a Peavey Tour 450.

I used to run the 2x10 and the 212 stacked with an Ampeg SVT2PRO head. Gawd a'mighty was that tasty! Too much weight to carry around though. :hmm:
 
#966
spz8 said:
I was hoping the Avatar would tame some harshness I get with the occassional slap/pop but perhaps it's more my EQ or even my playing style. I try not to dig in to deep on a pop, but I guess my technique still needs some work. Again, this is with active electronic basses with dual soap-bar setups. At this point I don't know if I'd pick up another Avatar since it's so similar to what I'm already running. Maybe other brands would sound different to my ears. Any Berg, Epi or Aggy owners in this group care to comment?
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I used to play through an Avatar 410 and now I have a Bergantino AE410, using Markbass LMII and F1 amps, though I've picked up the F1 since selling the Avatar cabinet.

Price differences aside, I would say that the Berg and the Avatar 410 sound more similar than different. Both seem to have a similar upper-midrange bump and a good but not extremely bloomy low end. The Berg is a better cab than the Avatar, but definitely not $1200 : $400 better. The weight difference feels negligible.

I did modify the tweeter in my Avatar, replacing the stock foster horn with a Selenium horn sourced from allparts.com for about $50. The Selenium horn was square, so I had to break out a jigsaw and square off the hole in the box, but it was not a big deal at all. It did soften the high end just a bit, made it a little more polite, and I would recommend that mod to anyone making the observation you made about that cabinet's high end. It was a subtle change though, and most people might not notice it.

I still have an Avatar 210/112 stack that also sounds really great - especially stacked vertically. That stack killed with the EA iAmp 800 I used to have.
 
#967
Ryan Mohr said:
Nice rig! Could you explain the difference in sound between the 212 and the 410?
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to be honest, i haven't played through them seperately enough to make a final judgement.

but, through the ampeg v4b, the 2x12 seems to sound louder, more mid-rangey. it really growls with that head, but i'm not a huge fan of the low b with it right now.

the 4x10 seems to go lower, deeper, but i imagine it'll sound even better with a more powerful head. the ampegs growl really makes it hard (for me) to gegt a good read on the differences. it seems the low b sounds thicker, though.

i'm sure there's others who could give you a better description, perhaps fuzzboxvoodoo?:eyebrow:
 
#968
just got my second SB112 yesterday but have very little time to demo the two together w/ the NeoPak. Had rehersal last night but only brought one SB112 which I intend to leave at practice and keep the other at home and use both for gigs. Anyhow, everything I love about the SB112 is there plus some by adding the additional cab. The volume increases, the sound is more full with a bigger bottom, and you can hear yourself better. Will post pics this weekend.
 
#970
WJGreer said:
[Invalid or Expired Link Removed] hits that point thoroughly.
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I have read the review, but Dave says this is inaccurate because at the time of the review, the 410 had the updated speakers, but the 212 still had the old speakers. From the man himself:

HI yes the 212 is a great stand alone..but more guys do the 410 as the first stand alone it seems...the article is confusing because it was written right when we were transitioning from the stock 12s to our custom long throw eminence 12s...so the tens were deeper than stock but the 12's were stock and didn't go as low as the tens when the review was writen...now we use custom 12's too so they go deeper than when the mag did the review...but again...either 410 or 212 could be stand alone but because the 410 handles the most power and abuse and has the most snap...and sounds great...its the first choice for stand alone..
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#971
weekendxwarrior said:
to be honest, i haven't played through them seperately enough to make a final judgement.

but, through the ampeg v4b, the 2x12 seems to sound louder, more mid-rangey. it really growls with that head, but i'm not a huge fan of the low b with it right now.

the 4x10 seems to go lower, deeper, but i imagine it'll sound even better with a more powerful head. the ampegs growl really makes it hard (for me) to gegt a good read on the differences. it seems the low b sounds thicker, though.

i'm sure there's others who could give you a better description, perhaps fuzzboxvoodoo?:eyebrow:
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Thanks, that's the exact opposite I was expecting. I thought the 212 would be deeper and have more bass, but the 410 would have more midrange punch and volumbe. Are yours both current neo versions?
 
#972
Here’s my new B410 NEO cabinet. Just got it yesterday. So far I'm impressed. Can't wait till the speakers get broken in. Future GAS is to add the B212 NEO along with it. The Purple tolex looks way better in person than the picture shows. My camera makes it look too bluish.


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My review here:

http://www.talkbass.com/forum/showthread.php?t=536833

Keep Low :bassist:
 
#974
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EagleMoon said:
Wow. I like that. Very different!
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EagleMoon

Thanks :)

I wanted something that looked different and captured just a touch of the vintage Marshall Royal Purple vibe. The tolex work is excellent on the cab and I was very happy that the color was more of a muted Purple.

On Avatar's site they have a guitar cab in the same color and grille and the Purple looks much brighter so I was a bit worried but it looks great. I'm going to add a B212 NEO as soon as funds permit.

I have a friend working on a vintage look wooden case to mount my GK 1001RB-II in and then we are going to tolex that in Purple too. It should look very cool :D
 
#976
Ryan Mohr said:
I have read the review, but Dave says this is inaccurate because at the time of the review, the 410 had the updated speakers, but the 212 still had the old speakers. From the man himself:
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Well, actually, I owned both a 410 and a 212 from Dave at different points in time, and what he said in your quote actually sounds more like the experience I had than the magazine article did.

I will say that the 410 is, to my ears, very midrange-focused while the 212 had a bigger bottom and somewhat less punch. I had the 212 underneath my Avatar 210 for a while, and while that was a bigger rig than I generally have any use for, it sure sounded great!
 
#978
weekendxwarrior said:
i'll add the offical number to my sig as soon as i finally post the proof... all 6.5 feet of proof.

from top to bottom:
Ampeg V4b
Avatar 210 neo (thanks mooselumps)
Avatar 212 w/Deltas(thanks FuzzBoxVoodoo)
Avatar 410 neo (thanks tmw)
woodfloor that's loving the vibrations

thanks to the TB members who made my dreams possible.
sorry for the cellphone cam pic... my girlfriend is less impressed with my rig than with my dog in bunny ears, so he's getting the real camera attention.
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She does look shmexy on top of that stack;)
 
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