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Avatar SB112 with MID !!!!!! The SB126

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daveAvatar said:
HI Guys, Thanks for the interest in the new SB126. Yes, after hearing that a 6 inch mid would complement the 12 well, I finally was able to make one. We tested the existing sealed back Eminence mid that we use in the TB153 and compared it to a new 6 inch open back Eminence mid and the sealed back sounds much better so we went with that. We used the full 12 db two way crossover at about 3900Hz and it works well plus has the volume control so the mid can be dialed in right where you want it to be. We also just designed and added to the bass cab line, a matching 2x10 with tweeter in the same side vented cab. The idea is to have a small stack of a 210 on top of the 112 cab.
What started all of the this was that Fender called me with an incredible truckload speaker deal of all of the new Eminence and Faital speakers left over from the SWR and Genz Benz companies. Amoung the speakers were a couple thousand of the Faital 10PR300 and 12PR300.
My first idea was to do two 16 ohm Faital tens in a 210 cab and do a matching 112 with the Faital 8 ohm 12 so the two 8 ohm cabs would make a standard 4 ohm load. After playing around with them and the Bass Pro box program, we got the 210 to sound as good as possible for having a FS of 65Hz. So, because the 210 is more about hitting real hard rather than going down super low, I knew we'd have to get the low lows out of the 112 cab. The Faital 12 in the 112 sounded good with the Faital 210 but only on a 4 string bass. For a low B, the 12 has to be either the Eminence Delta 12LF ceramic, the Deltalite 2512 Neo LF that is custom for us, or the Kappalite 3012LF. We use the Delta 12LF or the Deltalite Neo in that cab now and it sounds great and have the 3012LFs coming from Eminence next week.
Playing the Faital 210 with the Eminence LFs 112 sound fantastic together on 4 or 5 string. Plus you have the flexibility of using one , the other or both cabs.
Anyway, I just wanted to give some background info on how these two new cabs came to be. I hope that wasn't too long or spammy.
None of this is in the existing antiquated website. We are launching a new transactional website hopefully next week and the new models will be in there with all of the speaker and cosmetic options and pricing. We can ship the cabs with no covering or make the cabs with reverse baffles too.
Again a big thanks to you guys for all of your input and support. Feel free to call or email me during the week with questions or to chat.
Thanks Dave
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THANKS, DAVE!!! Great Info!
 
#23
David Henry said:
Thanks for the quick response Dave / daveAvatar!

Will the 3012LF have a high enough frequency to use the same crossover point and what is the projected price difference?
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The 3012LF begins to roll off around 2K or so, so it is quieter at the crossover point than the rest of the usable range. In a perfect world, we'd could have a crossover at 2.5 or 3K to close the gap. It sounds good where it is now letting the 12 go up higher but we'll get some new Eminence Crossovers that cross a little lower and experiment in the next couple of weeks. If they make a big difference, we'll offer the cabs with those too. The 3012LF is about 70 bucks more than the deltalite 2512 in the cab. Thanks for the good input.
 
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daveAvatar said:
The 3012LF begins to roll off around 2K or so, so it is quieter at the crossover point than the rest of the usable range. In a perfect world, we'd could have a crossover at 2.5 or 3K to close the gap. It sounds good where it is now letting the 12 go up higher but we'll get some new Eminence Crossovers that cross a little lower and experiment in the next couple of weeks. If they make a big difference, we'll offer the cabs with those too. The 3012LF is about 70 bucks more than the deltalite 2512 in the cab. Thanks for the good input.
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Looking forward to hearing the outcome!
 
#26
daveAvatar said:
HI Guys, Thanks for the interest in the new SB126. Yes, after hearing that a 6 inch mid would complement the 12 well, I finally was able to make one. We tested the existing sealed back Eminence mid that we use in the TB153 and compared it to a new 6 inch open back Eminence mid and the sealed back sounds much better so we went with that. We used the full 12 db two way crossover at about 3900Hz and it works well plus has the volume control so the mid can be dialed in right where you want it to be. We also just designed and added to the bass cab line, a matching 2x10 with tweeter in the same side vented cab. The idea is to have a small stack of a 210 on top of the 112 cab.
What started all of the this was that Fender called me with an incredible truckload speaker deal of all of the new Eminence and Faital speakers left over from the SWR and Genz Benz companies. Amoung the speakers were a couple thousand of the Faital 10PR300 and 12PR300.
My first idea was to do two 16 ohm Faital tens in a 210 cab and do a matching 112 with the Faital 8 ohm 12 so the two 8 ohm cabs would make a standard 4 ohm load. After playing around with them and the Bass Pro box program, we got the 210 to sound as good as possible for having a FS of 65Hz. So, because the 210 is more about hitting real hard rather than going down super low, I knew we'd have to get the low lows out of the 112 cab. The Faital 12 in the 112 sounded good with the Faital 210 but only on a 4 string bass. For a low B, the 12 has to be either the Eminence Delta 12LF ceramic, the Deltalite 2512 Neo LF that is custom for us, or the Kappalite 3012LF. We use the Delta 12LF or the Deltalite Neo in that cab now and it sounds great and have the 3012LFs coming from Eminence next week.
Playing the Faital 210 with the Eminence LFs 112 sound fantastic together on 4 or 5 string. Plus you have the flexibility of using one , the other or both cabs.
Anyway, I just wanted to give some background info on how these two new cabs came to be. I hope that wasn't too long or spammy.
None of this is in the existing antiquated website. We are launching a new transactional website hopefully next week and the new models will be in there with all of the speaker and cosmetic options and pricing. We can ship the cabs with no covering or make the cabs with reverse baffles too.
Again a big thanks to you guys for all of your input and support. Feel free to call or email me during the week with questions or to chat.
Thanks Dave
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If you have the chance, you should experiment with crossovers around 1.6k or 2k. Maybe it will cost a little more, but the cab will be far better.

From what I understand of mid drivers, their reason for existing is in the 1k-4k range. I don't see how a mid crossed at 3.9k will help much more than a tweeter, because you'll be using a mid driver for "treble"...
 
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thudfromafar said:
If you have the chance, you should experiment with crossovers around 1.6k or 2k. Maybe it will cost a little more, but the cab will be far better.

From what I understand of mid drivers, their reason for existing is in the 1k-4k range. I don't see how a mid crossed at 3.9k will help much more than a tweeter, because you'll be using a mid driver for "treble"...
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It wouldn't as far as range/frequency extension. 6 doesn't have much left to give up there, but it would help give the sort of paper cone topend rolloff that sounds good with overdrive effects.

Dave...if you can come up with a crossover around 1600-2khz that still fits with your affordable-but-good business model, that would be cool.

So would a 212 of yours using your LF woofers, then handing it off to a Celestion G10 guitar speaker for the mids and highs. I use your OEM "LF Deltalites" for just such purposes to great effect (both crossing lower to a PA mid and even lower to a sealed subchambered guitar speaker). :)


Thanks for chiming in.
 
#28
Somewhat off topic but still relevant I think. A question as to why after several years of the free availability of f type designs don't we see some Large commercial manufacturers putting faithfull F type cabs Out even if they didn't use absolutely top of the line components. After all it has been pointed out it can be done and I would Think the economy of scale of a larger manf. Would make them more affordable to the masses. And I am not assuming "everybody" would sell what they have and run out and buy one but I "DO" think a lot of people would. And if players saw more of these kinds of speaker cabs in the wilds they would probably be more in demand. You go Dave evidently the big guys are scared to do anything "new" (hardly) so I wish you the best and I have been watching your stuff for a few years With an eye towards buying and I applaud you for your efforts in this endeavor!

Mods can you merge these two threads? I posed this in the other thread which isn't having as much action.
 
#32
Back when I wasn't on a fixed income, I was thinking of get a pair of SB112s and putting a 6" mid in both. The plan was to use a 1600hz highpass filter on the mid and let the 12" be full range... it was going to be about $80.00 each cab for parts.... now (thanks Dave) they would only be a 1600hz highpass filter ($25.00 each) away from my plan...... and if Dave does find a good 1600hz X-over... well then......Bob's your uncle :cool:
 
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topcat2069 said:
Back when I wasn't on a fixed income, I was thinking of get a pair of SB112s and putting a 6" mid in both. The plan was to use a 1600hz highpass filter on the mid and let the 12" be full range... it was going to be about $80.00 each cab for parts.... now (thanks Dave) they would only be a 1600hz highpass filter ($25.00 each) away from my plan...... and if Dave does find a good 1600hz X-over... well then......Bob's your uncle :cool:
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That crossover would be money well spent.

Could use the existing 4khz filter to add a tweet to this cab, or most any other can, later on if you wanted.
 
#36
Dave,

Just in case you'll be checking in on this thread from time to time, can you give us an idea of how your OEM version of the Deltalite II 2512 woofer compares with the Kappalite 12LF in terms of frequency response? Both on the low end of the range, as well as on the high end?

Specs on the stock versions of each of these are readily available, but that doesn't help too much unless/until one knows how your OEM version of the Deltalite II 2512 compares with its stock version.

Thanks,

MM
 
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