It doesn't make it backwards, but with a little finesse it can sound backwards
The OP is clearly a reverse delay tho.
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"Backwards" effect?
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It doesn't make it backwards, but with a little finesse it can sound backwards
The OP is clearly a reverse delay tho.
Sounds like a fretless and volume pedal if I were actually trying to play it live. Maybe two fretless bass players since the bass is featured as the main instrument...in good headphones there's a right to left echo too..actually moves around left to right too. Interesting piece.
It doesn't make it backwards, but with a little finesse it can sound backwards
The OP is clearly a reverse delay tho.
Yeah suppose the attack is pretty similar.
I built the BYOC clone. Pretty easy build and the kit is $75. Sounds and works great.
a reverse gate is the effect.. or just a volume pedal ramped up and down between notes played..
I've really got to check out more of Mick Karn's work. I know that if you're a Percy Jones fan, which I am a huge one, he's a highly recommended listen. To my ears the main element of this sound is based on the fact that it's a fretless bass. Everything else is like spicing on food. But without the bedrock basis of the fretless essence you could not truly achieve this particular sound. That's also not saying that the effects aren't a big part of it too.
Thanks for all the suggestions, folks! I've googled a number of them and listened to samples.
The Danelectro one that someone mentioned, the Back Talk, sounds *awesome*... but, $300...
I might check out the clones of the Boss pedal mentioned, the Behringer or Mooer ones. I own a volume pedal, but I haven't been able to do a convincing "backwards" sound with it...
A reverse delay does sound better, to me, but I need to listen to more samples and maybe check a few out in the store.
I'm not looking to cover the piece I linked to in the OP, BTW--it's just an example of the tone I'm looking for. (That song is from 1984, so I doubt that's a reverse delay... I really think that's recorded backwards.) But I do play fretless, so at least I've got that part taken care of.
(Side note: that album is the one that made me pick up the bass to begin with--fretless, of course. I was in my mid-teens and a friend played that album to me, and my jaw hit the floor as they say. "What on earth is that sound? Is that a... bass guitar? How does he make it sound like that?" I bought my first bass, a cheap used P bass with the frets removed, not long after that.)
The Danelectro one that someone mentioned, the Back Talk, sounds *awesome*... but, $300...
I might check out the clones of the Boss pedal mentioned, the Behringer or Mooer ones. I own a volume pedal, but I haven't been able to do a convincing "backwards" sound with it...
A reverse delay does sound better, to me, but I need to listen to more samples and maybe check a few out in the store.
I'm not looking to cover the piece I linked to in the OP, BTW--it's just an example of the tone I'm looking for. (That song is from 1984, so I doubt that's a reverse delay... I really think that's recorded backwards.) But I do play fretless, so at least I've got that part taken care of.
(Side note: that album is the one that made me pick up the bass to begin with--fretless, of course. I was in my mid-teens and a friend played that album to me, and my jaw hit the floor as they say. "What on earth is that sound? Is that a... bass guitar? How does he make it sound like that?" I bought my first bass, a cheap used P bass with the frets removed, not long after that.)
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Sounds like it has been recorded (bass part only) with the tape running/recording in reverse.
Aside from the Boss Slow Gear, BYOC's clone Lazy Sprocket you could try to find an old DOD FX-15. Works quite differently than the Slow Gear (and related clones thereof).
Here's some related pedalia that does the reverse or similar thang...
Wow, some new ones (Walrus & Dano) to add to the list I've been compiling... The list continues to swell...
SWELL PEDALS
Boss Slow Gear
Boss PS-3/RPS-10
BYOC Lazy Sprocket, clone of Slow Gear
DOD FX-15:: Doesn't react to playing, but hit the switch to fade-in – more like manually manipulated fade-in on demand
Behringer SM200 Slow Motion
Line6 DL-4 Auto-volume delay (volume swell with delay-repeats added
Line6 Echo Park’s Swell option
Line6 M-series
Guyatone SV2 Slow Volume
Guyatone SV-M5Mighty Micro
Johnson J-Station
DigiTech GNX4
Pigtronix Attack-Sustain
Pigtronix Philosopher King
VFE Bumblebee
Zoom G2
Chicago Iron Parachute Wah
EHX Microsynth’s attack delay control
Malekko A.D. (attack decay)
Prescription Electronics Experience
Digitech DHP-66/Studio 5000
Digitech XP300 Space Station
Digitech RP200A
GATOR PAiA
Walrus Descent
Danelectro Back Talk
DIY Info at
BYOC
General Guitar Gadgets schematic, pcb layouts
SabroTone vero layout
I'm sure I'll find others if I keep digging...
PS: Any DIY stuff should still be considered, you can always get somebody else to do the soldering for you. Ex: BYOC Lazy Sprocket can be had from Axe and You Shall Receive.
Here's some related pedalia that does the reverse or similar thang...
Wow, some new ones (Walrus & Dano) to add to the list I've been compiling... The list continues to swell...
SWELL PEDALS
Boss Slow Gear
Boss PS-3/RPS-10
BYOC Lazy Sprocket, clone of Slow Gear
DOD FX-15:: Doesn't react to playing, but hit the switch to fade-in – more like manually manipulated fade-in on demand
Behringer SM200 Slow Motion
Line6 DL-4 Auto-volume delay (volume swell with delay-repeats added
Line6 Echo Park’s Swell option
Line6 M-series
Guyatone SV2 Slow Volume
Guyatone SV-M5Mighty Micro
Johnson J-Station
DigiTech GNX4
Pigtronix Attack-Sustain
Pigtronix Philosopher King
VFE Bumblebee
Zoom G2
Chicago Iron Parachute Wah
EHX Microsynth’s attack delay control
Malekko A.D. (attack decay)
Prescription Electronics Experience
Digitech DHP-66/Studio 5000
Digitech XP300 Space Station
Digitech RP200A
GATOR PAiA
Walrus Descent
Danelectro Back Talk
DIY Info at
BYOC
General Guitar Gadgets schematic, pcb layouts
SabroTone vero layout
I'm sure I'll find others if I keep digging...
PS: Any DIY stuff should still be considered, you can always get somebody else to do the soldering for you. Ex: BYOC Lazy Sprocket can be had from Axe and You Shall Receive.
Yeah but because slow gear is so expensive there are some clones out there. There's a mooer slow engine for $75 on reverb.
good taste you hve there but you aspire for the very difficult. best i can offer is "good luck".
Add Malekko Sneak Attack to that list
.IME, the most "reverse" sounding swell I've tried is the Sneak Attack, but it's decay is limiting sustained notes.
The next best, or best in the original list is the VFE Bumble Bee. The others can do it, but the BB has a very tweak-able trigger that really helps you very exactingly cut of the attack, while not re triggering at the end when you add the "fake" note start.
In the OP song I'm now hearing both reversed parts and swell parts. Given the year it was made it could be recording tricks or a rack device doing the reverse. I hear parts that have the attack reversed and parts where swell and technique make it sound backward. The joys of fretless as well, being able to start a note quiet and make it bloom as you slide.
The part in the OP is a normally recorded part played backwards. It isn't being done live in the studio. It isn't a reverse delay, that's why you hear the swells. It is the envelope of a decaying note playing in reverse. That said, a reverse delay is the best way to approximate the sound live.
