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Baer Amplification Megathread!

#261
KJung said:
With mic location, IMO it is key to have the mic a decent amount away from the cab, and not directly on-axis. That gives you a pretty good feel for the general tone of the rig, again, for that player. The thing you don't want to do is put the mic very close to the speaker, which is not really representative of the sort of 'live performance' of the cab.
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Whatever you're doing it sounds great!
From a listener's perspective, the setup on this clip is amazing.
Acme 'FullRange' Neo 112 Series III and Thunderchild 112 - YouTube
Playing that through studio monitors I can clearly hear everything that you're talking about. Super helpful.

These are nice too, although they introduce a bit of room sound into the equation.
Genz Streamliner and TC RH450 Comparison - YouTube
AudioKinesis Thunder Child and Bergantino AE212 - YouTube

All are high quality and very helpful. I like the first room/setup best.
 
#263
+1

Also, I guess there was a big GTG in New England, where the ML112 I reviewed was featured, and I didn't see one post about it on the GTG thread. Maybe some of the guys who were there can comment in this thread, since there was a Thunderchild there also. Curious to hear what others think about the cab.
 
#264
KJung said:
+1

Also, I guess there was a big GTG in New England, where the ML112 I reviewed as featured, and I didn't see one post about it on the GTG thread. Maybe some of the guys who were there can comment in this thread, since there was a Thunderchild there also. Curious to hear what others think about the cab.
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The GTG was in a different hall then it normally is and it was loud.
It was great just more chaotic this time and next time we will most certainly have separate rooms once again with some designated no amp time in room x for these type of evaluations.

However there was a good 10 of us around for the ML122 and AE210 side by side.

I know a lot of folks are going to say...Speakers don't make the big difference the box does...but to my ears and the other comments there I think it does.

The ML112 had a slightly bigger bottom and lower mid presence then the AE210. Hands down. The AE210 was slightly tighter sounding then ML110. As Roger stated no tweeter is need at all with this cabinet...It has all the highs that any 10 based cabinet with a tweeter would have. Plucks appears to be meatier then just pingey...

IMHO I can see where Ken refers to this as a super 12s because you just cannot call it a "12", however for lack of a better term let me just say this...I find the ML112 a versatile cabinet for any situation and I find it the best 12" main loaded cabinet for slapping that I have ever tried.
 
#265
basswave said:
The GTG was in a different hall then it normally is and it was loud.
It was great just more chaotic this time and next time we will most certainly have separate rooms once again with some designated no amp time in room x for these type of evaluations.

However there was a good 10 of us around for the ML122 and AE210 side by side.

I know a lot of folks are going to say...Speakers don't make the big difference the box does...but to my ears and the other comments there I think it does.

The ML112 had a slightly bigger bottom and lower mid presence then the AE210. Hands down. The AE210 was slightly tighter sounding then ML110. As Roger stated no tweeter is need at all with this cabinet...It has all the highs that any 10 based cabinet with a tweeter would have. Plucks appears to be meatier then just pingey...

IMHO I can see where Ken refers to this as a super 12s because you just cannot call it a "12", however for lack of a better term let me just say this...I find the ML112 a versatile cabinet for any situation and I find it the best 12" main loaded cabinet for slapping that I have ever tried.
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I saw the pictures of that room, and it did look like it was not the optimum for listening.

Your impressions of the AE210 (great cab) and ML112 match what I heard, and I think that comes through on my comparison clip of those two cabs. Both great, both similar max volume, with the ML112 having a bit more fatness down low and a bit more presence in the upper mids (and at a lighter weight). Cool!

I too found that particular mid driver GREAT for both a modern slap tone and also a nice bright rock grind. Pretty impressive. I am not a fan of the fEarful 12/6 up top at all. I think the Faital mid driver and Roger's crossover is just perfect for making a cab with the superior performance of a super 12 that does not sound like a PA cab. Pretty impressive.
 
#266
KJung said:
I saw the pictures of that room, and it did look like it was not the optimum for listening.

Your impressions of the AE210 (great cab) and ML112 match what I heard, and I think that comes through on my comparison clip of those two cabs. Both great, both similar max volume, with the ML112 having a bit more fatness down low and a bit more presence in the upper mids (and at a lighter weight). Cool!
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+1

If I was in the market for cabinets. I would own 2 of these.
:cool:

For those who love the Berg AE get on this.
 
#267
KJung said:
Your impressions of the AE210 (great cab) and ML112 match what I heard, and I think that comes through on my comparison clip of those two cabs. Both great, both similar max volume, with the ML112 having a bit more fatness down low and a bit more presence in the upper mids (and at a lighter weight). Cool!
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By "presence" are you saying there is a bump in the upper mids? or is it a matter of having more character?

How do you describe the low mids of the ML112?

I'm more of a finger-funk player, so the extra fatness down low sounds great, but low mids are the meat and potatoes for me.

And, thank you for all your videos. I've listened extensively, but my playback options don't do the differences a lot of justice.
 
#268
eeyorebass said:
By "presence" are you saying there is a bump in the upper mids? or is it a matter of having more character?

How do you describe the low mids of the ML112?

I'm more of a finger-funk player, so the extra fatness down low sounds great, but low mids are the meat and potatoes for me.

And, thank you for all your videos. I've listened extensively, but my playback options don't do the differences a lot of justice.
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+1 Quality playback (good phones) is key to hear the clips as they were recorded.

By presence, I mean there is not a dip in the upper mids like with the AE210 (the dip is minor, but it is there). So, to my ear, relatively flat from 500hz through 5K+. Also, the NATURE of the mids are very nice. Not as 'studio monitor pure' as the Thunderchild or the 12/6 cabs that use the 18Sound mid driver. The crossover and mid driver that Roger uses seems to mimic the nice crunchy upper mid response of some of the classic bass speakers back in the day... warm and grindy (if you put some grind into them) versus more clinical and ganky.

Lows to low mids are also quite even, and there is a nice ratio of low mids to low bass, which gives rise to the term 'full yet punchy'. VERY nice cab for 'close to the bridge finger funk'.... burpy, but fatter than your typical 210.

Again, if I didn't have my AE210 (which is in the same general tone universe to me... a bit more upper treble and a dip in the upper mids, but still relatively similar to my ear), I'd jump on one of these.
 
#270
triplelutz said:
Got the cab on loan yesterday...thanks Roger! So far, really diggin it!

I like cabs that add flavor to my tone. This cab certainly does that and I think aside from the great sounding low mid punch, players will dig this cab for the upper mid growl that comes from the mid driver. There's enough color in the cab to enhance your tone while retaining the characteristics of any bass you plug in.

I haven't used it on a gig yet, but it's a smooth, very clear, punchy, aggressive and round tone. My B string really spoke well and my 78 jazz growled like a beast. My p-bass was authoritative and punchy. My fretless was warm and present across the spectrum.

There's also a nice bass dispersion... Full sounding but not very pillowy. It's a tighter, punchier 12 with a vey usable "feel my bass" type of bottom. Two of these together would be fairly monstrous.

More to come after a few gigs.
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Cool! Seems like we are all hearing similar things with this nice cab.... punchy, articulate, a bit grindy if you want it...
 
#271
KJung said:
I saw the pictures of that room, and it did look like it was not the optimum for listening.

Your impressions of the AE210 (great cab) and ML112 match what I heard, and I think that comes through on my comparison clip of those two cabs. Both great, both similar max volume, with the ML112 having a bit more fatness down low and a bit more presence in the upper mids (and at a lighter weight). Cool!

I too found that particular mid driver GREAT for both a modern slap tone and also a nice bright rock grind. Pretty impressive. I am not a fan of the fEarful 12/6 up top at all. I think the Faital mid driver and Roger's crossover is just perfect for making a cab with the superior performance of a super 12 that does not sound like a PA cab. Pretty impressive.
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Ken, Ken, Ken

I don't mean to disagree with you, (as rare as that happens) but I've used both the AE210 and the ML112 on numerous gigs and I can safely say the ML112 can get more usable volume out than the AE210, with more lows.
I took the ML112 on an outdoor gig I could never take the Berg and it killed.
Again, just my opinion, but I've spent some time with this box. Just wait for the Valkyre head to come out....OOOF!!
 
#272
B String said:
Ken, Ken, Ken

I don't mean to disagree with you, (as rare as that happens) but I've used both the AE210 and the ML112 on numerous gigs and I can safely say the ML112 can get more usable volume out than the AE210, with more lows.
I took the ML112 on an outdoor gig I could never take the Berg and it killed.
Again, just my opinion, but I've spent some time with this box. Just wait for the Valkyre head to come out....OOOF!!
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Both are great boxes, and +1, the ML112 has a bit more going on down low. I like them both!

And +1, all of these sort of 'super twelves' based on various versions of the 3012LF driver will outperform most 210's in true low end when pushed.
 
#273
The interesting thing about the ML112 driver is that it's a 3012HO wound to go deeper so you get the mid presence of the 3012HO with more of the 3012LF depth - the best of both. I recently built a 1212/66 with the 3012LF/Faital mids and love it. http://www.talkbass.com/forum/f15/my-1212-66-build-801025/
As a DIY project, it was my optimum configuration. I had my eye on the ML212 but it wasn't available. Those Faital W6N8-120 mid drivers turned out to be my favorite mid/high sound for a bass cab. I was considering a 3012HO twin to have something on the other side of the spectrum (trade some depth for a bit more punch and mid presence), but a pair of ML112's sounds like a better option because even with a Streamliner 900 the lows and low mids wouldn't have as much meat to them.
 
#274
5StringPocket said:
The interesting thing about the ML112 driver is that it's a 3012HO wound to go deeper so you get the mid presence of the 3012HO with more of the 3012LF depth - the best of both. I recently built a 1212/66 with the 3012LF/Faital mids and love it. http://www.talkbass.com/forum/f15/my-1212-66-build-801025/
As a DIY project, it was my optimum configuration. I had my eye on the ML212 but it wasn't available. Those Faital W6N8-120 mid drivers turned out to be my favorite mid/high sound for a bass cab. I was considering a 3012HO twin to have something on the other side of the spectrum (trade some depth for a bit more punch and mid presence), but a pair of ML112's sounds like a better option because even with a Streamliner 900 the lows and low mids wouldn't have as much meat to them.
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+1 From my experience with all the mid driver cabs that Don from LDS has built over the years, there is something that just speaks to me with that Faital mid driver. By far the sweetest tone of any mid I've heard, and a great match with a 12" driver.

Also, I am much more of a fan of the 3012HO than the 3012LF, but of course, the mid driver doesn't really make sense with the 3012HO, given the beautiful upper mids of that cab.

The fact that Roger custom 3012HO to 'move down the frequency continuum a bit (I guess similer to Duke with his Thunderchild, voicing his custom 3012LF to 'move up the frequency continuum), Roger's cab just 'works' as a bass cab. More punchy than any 12/6 cab I've heard to date, but with more oomph, real low end and smoothness than a typical one or two way with tweeter 3012HO loaded box.

Nice voicing by both Roger and Duke IMO!
 
#277
Just wanted to chip in to say that I greatly enjoyed playing through the cab that Roger sent out to the New England GTG last weekend. I also heard lots of others playing a large variety of basses through it, and it was consistently delivering sounds that would work exceptionally well for an awful lot of gigs.

Roger mentioned to me that the somewhat forward, aggressive mid character is meant to complement his new amp design (which is pretty much dead flat up high), yet to work well with lots of other manufacturers' amps as well. At the GTG it was paired with a Markbass head (LMIII or II), and it certainly was not lacking a bit for highs and high mids. The low-lows seemed inherently tighter than the other "super 12" cabs I've gigged with (fEArful, Thunderchild), and as Ken has said, the Baer cab exudes "bass cab" more than the "PA or monitor" vibe. This is a really nice addition to the tonal spectrum currently available in light, one hand carry 112 cabs. The build quality looks outstanding as well.

Big thumbs-up here, especially for rock or funk players. :bassist:
 
#278
Passinwind said:
Just wanted to chip in to say that I greatly enjoyed playing through the cab that Roger sent out to the New England GTG last weekend. I also heard lots of others playing a large variety of basses through it, and it was consistently delivering sounds that would work exceptionally well for an awful lot of gigs.

Roger mentioned to me that the somewhat forward, aggressive mid character is meant to complement his new amp design (which is pretty much dead flat up high), yet to work well with lots of other manufacturers' amps as well. At the GTG it was paired with a Markbass head (LMIII or II), and it certainly was not lacking a bit for highs and high mids. The low-lows seemed inherently tighter than the other "super 12" cabs I've gigged with (fEArful, Thunderchild), and as Ken has said, the Baer cab exudes "bass cab" more than the "PA or monitor" vibe. This is a really nice addition to the tonal spectrum currently available in light, one hand carry 112 cabs. The build quality looks outstanding as well.

Big thumbs-up here, especially for rock or funk players. :bassist:
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Wish I could have been there to try that one out, although it would likely not have been good for my (student) bank account. I'm a big fan of the voicing of the old Eden XLTs (10s and 12s) for the rock projects I've been involved in, and that cab seems like it'd have that same kind of grunt.
 
#280
I definitely dug the Baer ML112 at the NE G2G last weekend. Tony had me noodle around a bit as we went back and forth between the Baer cab adn a few of the Bergs using my Nordy VJ5 and Genz Shuttle 9.0.

The Baer definitely had more going on down low than the AE 2x10 and seemed as though it would kill for a number of different kinds of gigs(as soon as I see no tweeter and a mid driver, I think fretless mwaahhhh). I personally don't see myself shifting from the Berg AE stuff, but as Ken said, if I wasn't already situated and happy with Jim's cabs, I would definitely have the Baer on my short list!

I would think that if you are an active player with a variety of gigs on your plate, a pair of these would cover just about any need you might have.

-Grady
 

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