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Baer Amplification Megathread!
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You were correct for the most part. It is a compression driver, but that is about the only similarity with what most would call a 'tweeter'
. It is a different top end than the ML112, but a glorious execution in its own right... clean, balanced, crisp, but, well, 'not tweeter like' (to your point!).
You were correct for the most part. It is a compression driver, but that is about the only similarity with what most would call a 'tweeter'
well, i've been giving to saying stupid things today without giving as much thought to them as i should . . . won't be the last time, i'm sure.
and . . . i know this thread is about roger's great cabs, but i think something about the tc112/115 horn design must change the sound versus the usual directional tweeter thing . . . but again, there i go.
but ya know what? i played the baer stuff a few years ago at namm and was very impressed (and also the valkyrie, i might add). i hadn't really expected to fall for the tc stuff, but i did. otherwise i'd probably have two of roger's 112 cabs.
LOTS of tone shaping circuitry above the crossover point. If you take a flashlight and look at the bottom of the cab through the lower port, it will scare the heck out of you
I believe the crossover in my TC115 weighs almost 6 pounds
Again, different ways to get to a very nice outcome
LOTS of tone shaping circuitry above the crossover point. If you take a flashlight and look at the bottom of the cab through the lower port, it will scare the heck out of you
Again, different ways to get to a very nice outcome
Very true. The crossover in the ML112 is surprisingly simple. We try to put as few things in the signal path as possible.
Tonight's rig... Had an early gig opening up for Kelly Richey... KILLER blues player. She channels SRV when she plays and has an amazing voice.
Her bass player is that Freekbass dude... Those are his basses behind mine. Didn't get a chance to talk to him but he seemed nice... Good player.
I LOVE MY RIG!!!!
So happy.
Chef
In Memoriam
steubig:
The AudioKinesis TC series are great cabs, I used them for a while. They're alos voiced very differently from the Baer stuff, and, if you really dig the TC stuff, you might find the Baer stuff "not your flavor."
Or, vice versa, which was the case for me.
Love Duke, dig his work a lot; not my thing though.
The AudioKinesis TC series are great cabs, I used them for a while. They're alos voiced very differently from the Baer stuff, and, if you really dig the TC stuff, you might find the Baer stuff "not your flavor."
Or, vice versa, which was the case for me.
Love Duke, dig his work a lot; not my thing though.
Not that anyone would try something as dumb as this... only me!!! But...
I tried pairing the PJCompact 4 with the BaerML112. Big mistake. Didn't like it at all. It sucked all the bottom from my sound.
However, the PJ Compact4 sounds great on its own, especially for its size. Obviously it pales in comparion to the Baer, but it really is a nice little cab which can handle a lot of power and would be great for an Upright or for a compact EB setup.
So it is now listed in the classifieds if anyone is interested.
It is brand spankin new and very hard to get.
On another note, has anyone tried an amp stand with the ML112? If so, do you lose a lot of bass response since its off the floor? I remember seeing a pic somewhere in this thread where someone was using it on a stand.
Thanks.
I tried pairing the PJCompact 4 with the BaerML112. Big mistake. Didn't like it at all. It sucked all the bottom from my sound.
However, the PJ Compact4 sounds great on its own, especially for its size. Obviously it pales in comparion to the Baer, but it really is a nice little cab which can handle a lot of power and would be great for an Upright or for a compact EB setup.
So it is now listed in the classifieds if anyone is interested.
It is brand spankin new and very hard to get.
On another note, has anyone tried an amp stand with the ML112? If so, do you lose a lot of bass response since its off the floor? I remember seeing a pic somewhere in this thread where someone was using it on a stand.
Thanks.
Yeah, the Phil Jones cabs are 'their own thing' and you need a LOT of those little drivers to do the job.
Interesting about 'sucking all the low end' out of your sound. My guess is, that was due to the Phil Jones being on the bottom and putting out very little sound, and 'uncoupling' the ML112, resulting in it losing a bit of low end.
However, if it was an extreme loss of low end, those cabs might have been out of phase, which means you didn't really get a good sense of what the combo sounded like. If the low end dropped like a rock, that is what happens in an out of phase wiring situation.
That being said, yeah, an ML112 would BURY a PJ cab at twice its size IMO and IME (much less the little 4 banger).
I should have been more clear in my last post. Yes, it definitely was a phase issue with the cabs. The PJ on its own has nice bottom end, and we all know what the Baer can do.
But together the cabs were definitely out of phase resulting in a decrease in low end. When I walked out front from side to side I could also hear that "swishy" sound and some noticeable volume dips indicating a phase issue.
For the few weeks I had my ML112, the sound I liked most was on the floor, laying sideways, angled up at me. Vertical or off the floor caused a loss of bottom and too much prominence of the mids for my taste.
yep. i know they're voiced differently. i was at nostatic's cabapaloosa 2013.
the baer stuff is somewhat closer to what i used to use, so my comfort level is pretty high for them, i think.
i'm not a "one sound is the holy grail" guy, i think there are a ton of great sounds out there, and there are certain cabs i could see using for certain situations. if i had the room and the money, i'd probably have the ak and the baer stuff. right now i don't (first world problems, as they say).
I'd actually love a tiny 1x10 + mid cab for practice use, preferably something in a really nicely finished hardwood cabinet. I may end up building (or more accurately, teach myself how to build) one myself, though - probably not much market for something like that.
ML412
My preference is laying sideways. However, because I usually cannot get enough space in front of my position I can't hear it as well as I'd like, so I've taken to playing it vertically and use a wedge to angle it. With this I boost the bass a bit. Generally there's almost no EQ necessary for me but the boost evens out the bottom since it's uncoupled.
Anyway, it sure as hell works for me. I've had my ML112 since the summer and I am absolutely thrilled with it. This is my first post here. My biggest "problem" (not really one) is that it is so well designed. So much well balanced signal goes out into the room that the actual stage volume/presence can be very misleading - you can easily think so much less is happening out there and overcompensate.
But, I'm getting the hang of it. Ultimately I'll have to get another one.
for me, the quest for a really nice 1x10 is the idea that i want to take the subway to more gigs. yeah, i live in l.a., but it's starting.
i actually did it last night. rolling case with puma 500 and pedals, bass on back and a benz 1x10, which, though it has its charms, is the weak link in the chain.
Chef
In Memoriam
I've never met a 1-10 I'd consider gig-worthy.
I've only recently met 112's I'd gig alone; and that still has limited practical application, for me and my needs.
I've only recently met 112's I'd gig alone; and that still has limited practical application, for me and my needs.
Absolutely. Even the best, most efficient 1x12 cab can do only so much - other than in a strictly small-venue, limited-volume application. For anything larger and/or louder, better to bring a pair of them. 'Tis always better to (potentially) have more than you need, than not enough.
I've never owned a 1x10. But if I did, I imagine it to be best suited to amplifying an acoustic upright bass, or an EUB. But even then, only in a small room and at low volume.
MM
I gigged an EA VL110 for a number of years. It actually could hang pretty well in a band situation (Ashdown ABM-500 was powering it). For some gigs I'd run a pair of them but surprising what a single cab could do.
ML112 is a much bigger sounding solution though - and weighs less.
ML112 is a much bigger sounding solution though - and weighs less.
