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Baer Amplification Megathread!

#961
bongomania said:
Mixing cabs can be totally fine. The keys are to either "get lucky" with a combo that just happens to sound good together, or use science to predict a good match.

"Mix bad" only applies when both luck and science are against you.
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Pretty much anything you do other than mixing two cabinets that aren't designed to work together will be a more productive use of your time.

Spend it learning how EQ, effects work. Spend it practicing. Spend it working on your bass setup or trying out new strings. Spend it doing wrist and hand exercises.

Hell, mowing the lawn is about as likely to have a net benefit on your sound as mixing random cabinets.

If time was not limited I'd say go for it, but really, it's so likely to be counterproductive that you shouldn't do it until everything else is perfect. In my opinion.
 
#962
mwbassace said:
I recently got a BFM Jack 12, with 12 piezo's (2 sets of 6 @ 90° w/on-off switch, no L-pad). I'm looking at getting a ML112 & wondering if these 2 will play well together. If so, any suggestions on how to pair them? By the way, thanks ahc I'm probably buying that ML112 thats for sale. :)
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All part of the friendly courteous service here on TB :) Your welcome. And enjoy it. Now I won't get itchy when I read that add. Hey, why don't you contact Bill Fitzmaurice on his forum and see what he thinks about mixing the cabs. I don't think he posts on TB anymore. And I'm willing to bet he'll discourage you from mixing them.
Al
 
#963
Ok...Lets take a look at just a few things I've tried.

Epifani UL112 & Berg AE210........... Fair, not great.

Markbass 121P combo & AE210........ Bit the big one.

Markbass 121P combo & UL112........ Fair, not great.

Berg AE210 & Epi UL110................. Meh

Epi UL112 & UL110........................ Freakin A! Nice!

Non matching cabs are a gamble in my opinion.
 
#964
In my case I'm not actually ~mixing~ them, I'm A/B-ing them. I'm using the subject of this thread, and a front ported neo-2x10. Using a foot control to pan between them (using the two channels of a Mackie 1400 to power each one seperately). I want two distinct sounds from the cabs to add to my weapons arsenal. However I can't deny that I am somewhat curious about how the two will mix in different amounts of panning (did that come out right?). I shall find out how that works as soon as the 2x10 arrives.

I know you fellas weren't directing your comments at me, I just threw this on the table as unsolicited trivia.
 
#965
Flux Jetson said:
In my case I'm not actually ~mixing~ them, I'm A/B-ing them. I'm using the subject of this thread, and a front ported neo-2x10. Using a foot control to pan between them (using the two channels of a Mackie 1400 to power each one seperately). I want two distinct sounds from the cabs to add to my weapons arsenal. However I can't deny that I am somewhat curious about how the two will mix in different amounts of panning (did that come out right?). I shall find out how that works as soon as the 2x10 arrives.

I know you fellas weren't directing your comments at me, I just threw this on the table as unsolicited trivia.
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I don't see why you would want to have to learn to EQ two different cabs. The ML-112 should have everything you need for pretty much any type of sound except extended highs or super extended lows, and a 2x10 isn't likely to do either of those much better unless it has an excellent crossover.
 
#966
rpsands said:
I don't see why you would want to have to learn to EQ two different cabs. The ML-112 should have everything you need for pretty much any type of sound except extended highs or super extended lows, and a 2x10 isn't likely to do either of those much better unless it has an excellent crossover.
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I suppose that all depends on the intended use. You're suggesting the ML112 is the end all. Perhaps for you it is. I'm not you.

I have an experimental 2-channel rig that uses some extended filtering and EQ setups. In my mind, I have a need for both.

I could ask you the inverse. I don't see why you wouldn't want to learn to EQ two different cabs. The ML112 shouldn't have everything you need for pretty much every single type of sound except thick, 70's style midrange.

I think you get my point by now. :)

And thanks for your input. I always appreciate an opposing view as long as it's not presented in a juvenile fashion. I've not known you to be that way. :)

Best wishes ... :D
 
#970
astack said:
Well that was fun... Back to our regularly scheduled programming...

How about the ML212? Anybody leaning for the all-in-one? I have a hard time leaving home without both of my ML112's, thinking the ML212 would be killer. Might just trucker strap em together :eek: ;)
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(Yea, that full moon can make folks a bit edgy). Anyhow, just today Roger said he had to stop making the ML212 because of the high cost of neodymium speakers. Well, actually he didn't say exactly that, what he said was he had to stop offering them temporarily because of the unstable pricing of neodymium speakers. I think he said he was redesigning the ML212 to optimize it for use with another speaker type.

S'pose we could screw a couple of ML122s together. Hand-truck anyone? :)
 
#971
Flux - I applaud your spirit of sonic exploration! Having a 2'nd cab/2'nd signal chain dedicated to an alternative bass voice seems a perfectly reasonable goal to me, especially if the musical context allows for it.

I'll echo B string's comments insofar as combining speaker cabs is concerned - totally hit or miss. In my experience it very often doesn't work out, but everyone once in awhile I encounter a combination that works surprisingly well. You never know until you try...

Play on, I say! Play on!
 
#972
Flux Jetson said:
Anyhow, just today Roger said he had to stop making the ML212 because of the high cost of neodymium speakers. Well, actually he didn't say exactly that, what he said was he had to stop offering them temporarily because of the unstable pricing of neodymium speakers. I think he said he was redesigning the ML212 to optimize it for use with another speaker type.
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That's a bummer. I wonder if/how the development of the ML115 has been affected.
 
#973
Prices for neo are way down from their peak.

I think:
-that there might be a ceramic ML212. And a neo. Maybe?
-the 115 is moving forward nicely.

I could be wrong, and Roger will surely chime in at some point.
 
#975
mwbassace said:
I recently got a BFM Jack 12, with 12 piezo's (2 sets of 6 @ 90° w/on-off switch, no L-pad). I'm looking at getting a ML112 & wondering if these 2 will play well together. If so, any suggestions on how to pair them? By the way, thanks ahc I'm probably buying that ML112 thats for sale. :)
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Not sure about that particular model (Jack 12), but most of BFM's cabs are Very efficient.
That fact alone could make mating it with a different cab fairly difficult,,, unless you have a two channel power amp or something like the GB ShuttleMax 12.2.
 
#976
Chef said:
Prices for neo are way down from their peak.

I think:
-that there might be a ceramic ML212. And a neo. Maybe?
-the 115 is moving forward nicely.

I could be wrong, and Roger will surely chime in at some point.
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Right now, we are finishing up the new ML212 prototype. Same drivers as the ML112. Slightly different crossover and tuning point. Basically the same sonically, but tuned a hair lower. I'm also working on dialing in the crossover for the ML115. I keep going back and forth as to just how "vintage sounding" this cab should be. I have two mid choices. One being the ML112's Faital and the other is a mid Celestion did for us. The Faital gives the cab a much more modern, ML112 type tone, the Celestion is a more 70's sounding vibe, without the Faital's bright top end, which I personally like a lot. Any thoughts from you guys would be great.
 
#977
R Baer said:
Right now, we are finishing up the new ML212 prototype. Same drivers as the ML112. Slightly different crossover and tuning point. Basically the same sonically, but tuned a hair lower. I'm also working on dialing in the crossover for the ML115. I keep going back and forth as to just how "vintage sounding" this cab should be. I have two mid choices. One being the ML112's Faital and the other is a mid Celestion did for us. The Faital gives the cab a much more modern, ML112 type tone, the Celestion is a more 70's sounding vibe, without the Faital's bright top end, which I personally like a lot. Any thoughts from you guys would be great.
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An adjustment of a passive tone control on the instrument will take care of the extra brightness way up top easily, as will most shelving treble controls.

I'd rather that beautiful mid driver and dial down a touch for old school than not have the option of a bit more grind if I want it.

And, if the Faital is stock and the Celestion isn't, that also probably gives the Faital the advantage, from an availability and long term replacement perspective.


IMO!
 
#978
R Baer said:
Right now, we are finishing up the new ML212 prototype. Same drivers as the ML112. Slightly different crossover and tuning point. Basically the same sonically, but tuned a hair lower. I'm also working on dialing in the crossover for the ML115. I keep going back and forth as to just how "vintage sounding" this cab should be. I have two mid choices. One being the ML112's Faital and the other is a mid Celestion did for us. The Faital gives the cab a much more modern, ML112 type tone, the Celestion is a more 70's sounding vibe, without the Faital's bright top end, which I personally like a lot. Any thoughts from you guys would be great.
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I like the Faital's high end. And if you have a bass with a passive tone rolloff (and who doesn't!?! :smug:) that '70s vibe is just a turn away. :cool:
 
#980
Roger,
My $.02 re the ML115: With all the "great press" for the ML112, I'd vote to keep the ML115 in that family. Unless I'm seriously deluded (it's possible), it seems to me that it's relatively easy to eq a bright top end closer to "old school" than it is to eq old school to "more modern". Thanks, and Go BUILD CABS!!! :D

PS: One small request: Please make it as light as possible/practical.
 

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