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Bag End Stack in the House!

So I just have one S-15D and love it. Thinking about adding another cab and debating which one - another s-15D or an S-12D....guys who have either of these combinations, any thoughts?
I am using a NEo-Pak head, run a bunch of effects generally with a Fender of some configuration and play Rock. I don't like tweeters, so highs are not a real concern of mine. Any thoughts?

Hey, it's good to hear from another S15-D user powering it with a Neo-Pak head. That's a nice combination, isn't it?

Since you are not into having a tweeter cab, you should definitely look into the S12-D. I think that's IvanMike's favorite combination, among other Bag guys on here.

Although I must say that the S15X-D horn is not intrusive. It fits very nicely into the overall sound of the cab. When I use the Neo-Pak head with this cab, I can turn down the treble control and it subdues the horn gently. The Neo-Pak treble control is a shelving type control.
 
The S15-D sounds great with the S12-D. As for the S15-D/S15X-D combo, I usually put the X-D on the bottom so that I still get the crispness from the coax without any "clang" at ear level. Works great. Love all my Bags!
 

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Here are a couple of the S15B-D models.

I've used them with an Eden Navigator/Crest Ca-6, and with a Thunderfunk 550B. They have an awesome deep, beefy sound that projects better than anything else I've used. They are a pain to haul around, but get good comments every time I take them out.
 

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How much different do the S15B-D models sound from the regular
S15-D's? Are they boomy? Less midrange? Is there any other cab that you can compare the sound to?

I really couldn't tell you, the big ones are the only BE 15's I've played. I've got a D12-D that I use a lot, and an Ampeg 610, but those are different animals.

The S15B-D's aren't boomy at all. And they really fill up a room with bass. Several musician friends have commented on how well they sound throughout the room, and they sound great when standing right in front of them too. They are easily my favorite cabinets right now, but they are too big to take everywhere.
 
I really couldn't tell you, the big ones are the only BE 15's I've played. I've got a D12-D that I use a lot, and an Ampeg 610, but those are different animals.

The S15B-D's aren't boomy at all. And they really fill up a room with bass. Several musician friends have commented on how well they sound throughout the room, and they sound great when standing right in front of them too. They are easily my favorite cabinets right now, but they are too big to take everywhere.

Can you tell me more about the D12-D? I'm very interested in this cab and possibly pairing it with a S15D or two..

Thanks!

JR
 
Can you tell me more about the D12-D? I'm very interested in this cab and possibly pairing it with a S15D or two..

Thanks!

JR

The D12-D is a great cabinet. I initially bought it for playing small stages/rooms where space is tight and the stairs are long, but found that it could handle almost any bar situation on its own. It has a small footprint and doesn't take up much space, and it really surprises people when they look around and ask where the bass is coming from. With a sensitivity of 103, it gets loud quick.

It cuts through very well and sounds great live. I use it in a 6 piece classic rock/blues band and in a 4 piece hard rock/punk band. I usually run it off a Thunderfunk 550 and can't get the volume on the Funk past 4 without it getting too loud for the rest of either band, and we don't play quietly. Its got plenty of low end for a 4 string, and I've used a 4 string BEAD bass on it once and it sounded pretty good to me, but if you play a lot of low B it may not be voiced low enough for you.

At one time I was considering getting a second D12 so I could stack them when playing outdoors, but I found a good deal on the two S15D-B's instead. Nothing against the D-12, but I do like the added low end of the 15's for outdoors and for filling up big rooms. I still wonder how two D12's would sound together, though.

It only comes in a 4 ohm version, so if you want to run another 15 or two 15's along with it, you will need to consider the impedance.
 
I own a D12-C (black carpet), which is an awesome cab indeed. It was the first Bag End cab I bought, some five years ago, replacing a Peavey 1x15 (Scorpion-Plus). The D12 sounded so much better, both deeper and more articulate than the Peavey. I am driving the D12 from one side of a Chevin A1000 power amp (600W @4 ohm), and the cab does not seem to have a problem handling that much power. I like to think that it will take whatever you throw at it.

The D12's biggest flaw, IMO, is it's physically awkward to handle. It is fairly heavy, and the handles are not in a convenient position for lifting. I put wheels underneath it, but it falls over easily because it's relatively tall and narrow.

I later added a D10X-D which is my preferred cab for most situations. It is the old, shallow type. Very compact, easy to move around, small footprint, yet very good tone. I have also used the D10BX-D (deep version). Surprisingly, the deep cab didn't sound that much better or deeper than the shallow cab, but it's a lot more difficult to move.

Both D10's combined make for a nice stack (and allow me to use both sides of the A1000), with a somewhat more bass-heavy sound than the D12 alone. On the other hand, it seems to me that the D12 will fill any room more easily than the D10's do. One other thing the D12 is also very good at is outdoor gigs, it doesn't seem to care wheter it's being played inside or outside, it simply keeps sounding loud and good. Maybe it's because the rear vents are much smaller than the ones in Bag End's 10" and 15" cabs, I don't know...
 
I really couldn't tell you, the big ones are the only BE 15's I've played. I've got a D12-D that I use a lot, and an Ampeg 610, but those are different animals.

The S15B-D's aren't boomy at all. And they really fill up a room with bass. Several musician friends have commented on how well they sound throughout the room, and they sound great when standing right in front of them too. They are easily my favorite cabinets right now, but they are too big to take everywhere.

Aren't the S15B-D 28.5" deep?
-- those have to be worse to move around than my 110 lb EA CX-310.
 
I own a D12-C (black carpet), which is an awesome cab indeed. It was the first Bag End cab I bought, some five years ago, replacing a Peavey 1x15 (Scorpion-Plus). The D12 sounded so much better, both deeper and more articulate than the Peavey. I am driving the D12 from one side of a Chevin A1000 power amp (600W @4 ohm), and the cab does not seem to have a problem handling that much power. I like to think that it will take whatever you throw at it.

The D12's biggest flaw, IMO, is it's physically awkward to handle. It is fairly heavy, and the handles are not in a convenient position for lifting. I put wheels underneath it, but it falls over easily because it's relatively tall and narrow.

I later added a D10X-D which is my preferred cab for most situations. It is the old, shallow type. Very compact, easy to move around, small footprint, yet very good tone. I have also used the D10BX-D (deep version). Surprisingly, the deep cab didn't sound that much better or deeper than the shallow cab, but it's a lot more difficult to move.

Both D10's combined make for a nice stack (and allow me to use both sides of the A1000), with a somewhat more bass-heavy sound than the D12 alone. On the other hand, it seems to me that the D12 will fill any room more easily than the D10's do. One other thing the D12 is also very good at is outdoor gigs, it doesn't seem to care wheter it's being played inside or outside, it simply keeps sounding loud and good. Maybe it's because the rear vents are much smaller than the ones in Bag End's 10" and 15" cabs, I don't know...

Have you tried the D12-C and D10X-D together?

For someone with the amp(s) to drive two 4ohm or one 2ohm load, I would think that combination (or with the D10BX-D) would fill out the low end (I strictly play BEADG basses) and give an awesome amount of volume.
 
I sold my Bag End stack (S15D/S-15XD) and went through a two year period of experimenting with a few different cabs..

Accugroove, EA, Bergantino, Ampeg..
all great products.....especially the Ampeg 4 x 10 Classic...

but....

I switched back to a Bag End S-15D stack..
they just work real well for me..
they sound great..
they are easy to move..
very affordable..
super high quality....
I love the WT 550 and a single S15D with a P Bass....:bassist:
 
Aren't the S15B-D 28.5" deep?
-- those have to be worse to move around than my 110 lb EA CX-310.

They are 24 inches deep, 28.5 inches long, and yeah, that makes for a big bulky box, but they do sound great.

The bulk is the main issue with them, they really aren't that heavy. My D12 is noticeably heavier than one of the S15B-d's.

If I were buying new I'd probably go for the L model cabinet, but I got a deal on these that was too good to pass up. The B-d's aren't what you would want if you had to move them every week, but I like to use different gear just so I don't get tired of the same old sound...and they will flat out fill up a room with sound.
 
I have the Bag End ELF system with a D10BX-D and a S18E-D with a M2 ELF processor - the thing has low end for miles. I use an Alembic F1X preamp, but unfort i have a crappy old Crown Powertech 2 amp, which doesn't do the system justice...

What do other folks use as a poweramp for their ELF system? I would think a QSC PLX1804 (600w/channel) would work well, & my back would appreciate the light weight...

With the powertech its not quite loud enough for a full rock band, i hope with a better amp it would be. Maybe add another D10BX as well...

-carl


Carl, I have the same cabinet configuration and an ELF-M and I'm powering them with a QSC PLX2402. Driving the 2-10" at the full output 32dB and the sub between 20-28 dB depending on the room. For a time I was using a Spectron Musician III amplifier and while it had superb control it wasn't designed for road conditions.

Check out the PLX specs, I think the power supply is more robust on the 2402 on up.

Vic
 
Have you tried the D12-C and D10X-D together?

For someone with the amp(s) to drive two 4ohm or one 2ohm load, I would think that combination (or with the D10BX-D) would fill out the low end (I strictly play BEADG basses) and give an awesome amount of volume.

I have indeed played that combination a few times, but usually I'm just lazy and I'll use either a D10X-D or a D12-C alone. A D12 is powerful enough to fill any room by itself-- adding a single D10 does seem to make it any louder. That said, I think D10's sound best close up whereas D12's sometimes appear to sound louder further away. Stacking a D10 on a D12 may help you hearing yourself better on stage.

Here are a few pics of the most natural way to stack these cabs. I'm adding a 4U rack case to allow you to see the sizes more easily. The amp ends up about shoulder-high, which is quite convenient.

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Still pretty stable and only a tiny footprint. On wobbly stages I'd lay down the D12 on its side as well, but it becomes twice as big that way.
 
Here are a few more pics of the D10 and D12 cabs. This is what I use most often: a single D10X-D. Loud enough for many occasions, easily transportable. Bass and 4U rack are shown so you can see how compact this really is.
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The D12-C alone is about as compact as the D10X-D, however twice as loud and a pain in the ass to handle.
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For completeness, a D10X-D stacked on top of a D10BX-D. Both cabs are about as heavy, and D10BX-D does not seem that much bigger than its shallow brother. However, passing through a door with this cab can be a real challenge if there is no-one around to help.

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Note: all of these are very fine cabs and a pleasure to play. The observations given above are very subjective and just my personal opinion. Enjoy the pics and happy B(r)agging!