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Band Drama

I’m a bit choked and I’m not sure if I have a right to be. I’ll try and keep this brief.

I’ve been with Band A since about 2008. We’re pretty tight and have an extensive repertoire. Female singer, one guitarist, drummer and me on bass. We use my garage and my PA, my truck, mostly. We play a lot of 70’s and 80’s rock. I have a heck of a time trying to get the guitar player to play new stuff, but we do some Pink and Katy Perry. Last week I made the mistake of mentioning “All About The Bass” and the guitar player threatened to quit over it. We only play one day once a month at the same dive bar, and once every 2 – 3 months at one other nicer pub. We can’t seem to move beyond that. Band A is a MUCH better band.

Last July a female singer friend who I’d known for years called me up because her bass player died. I wasn’t going to join them, but after a couple of fill in gigs, they asked, said they’d work around my schedule and they seemed like a lot of fun. More typical classic rock. They play a weekend once a month, plus a few other event gigs. The guitar player is weak, but adequate. Singer has a few timing issues. The drummer is good, but has a few tempo and memory problems. Still, great guys.

When I told Band A I was going to do Band B, the guitar player got all bent. I believe a pretty accurate quote was “As long as we take priority. You’d have to cancel their gigs in favour of us.” I agreed, but in my mind I thought it came across as petty jealousy.

So far the scheduling has all worked out. All except for this coming January. Band B has a two nighter booked at our regular pub. $100 a night. We get a list of dates for Band A, our usual one night a month until August and one of the dates, January 31st, is conflicting.

I call the Band A guitar player (since he’s the issue) and ask if he’d mind if I asked the bar manager if I could move that date. He’s NOT happy. I told him I didn’t want to cancel, I just want to see if we could move it. He wasn’t happy about it, but didn’t say no. I sent an email to the bar simply asking if we could move that date. I didn’t cancel it or make any decisions.

I get a message from Band A guitar player this morning: “Why did you ask Rod (manager) to change the January 31st date without talking to the band?”

My exact words to Rod were ‘Is it POSSIBLE’. My response to Guitarist was “I wanted to see if it was doable first. And I talked to you yesterday before I sent the message.”

To which he replied “Well, it’s not cool man. I’m not changing dates to suit your other band.”

I replied “Sorry. I didn’t mean for it to be such a problem.”

Now I’m thinking the guy is being a jealous bitch. I’m bothered that I have to give up a better paying 2 nighter for a one nighter that pays $80 each, but, I did say I was committed to Band A. I guess I find it really troubling that the guitarist isn’t willing to bend just to make some stupid point about my commitment to Band A. I didn’t say I wanted to CANCEL, I just wanted to see if it could be moved. I didn’t make any decision, I was only trying to see if it could work! Am I wrong, here?
 
Do you do the booking for Band A? If not, why are you calling the bar manager? That is a serious no-no in my books. Did you actually talk to the other band mates? Maybe they were not too keen on you moving the date either.

Just a side note from my perspective, calling him a "jealous bitch" indicates you have some ego problems of your own. It really doesn't sound like you want to even be in Band A based on your post. At the least, it sounds like you want do not want to play with the guitarist.
 
Yes, I do the booking. I didn't move the date, I only asked if it was possible. Step 1: Find out if it's even possible. Step 2: ask the band if it's okay. Step 3: if it's okay, change date. Perhaps I got steps 1 & 2 reversed, but if it wasn't possible, then I didn't want to bother the band. That was my thinking, anyway.

I wouldn't say I have ego problems, however you could be right about being frustrated with band A and not really being a fan of the guitarist. He has limited vision, only wants to play what HE wants to play, refuses to learn new stuff, and is pretty stubborn ...and refuses to sing. However, we've managed to get along as bandmates for the past 6 years (nothing is ever perfect I guess.. Wife says I'm never happy), he's a pretty incredible player, and people really seem to dig us. The people who hire us, anyway. It seems to be a really hard band to book. Too loud and too heavy.

You're right about the "Jealous Bitch" comment. I'm just frustrated and pissed he refuses to work with me.
 
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... the guitar player ... quote was “As long as we take priority. You’d have to cancel their gigs in favour of us.” I agreed, ...

You had established the ground rules to not be "first come, first served", but instead Band A takes priority. Granted, Band B has signed a more lucrative gig. While other gig nights in January might be available at the Band A bar, the guitar player for Band A is understandably ticked since you reneged on your "agreement" and then tried to change the date yourself. Yes, I know you thought you were doing a good thing by taking the initiative to try and move the date. In post #3 you said that you do the booking. Did you book this particular venue (Band A), or did the guitar player? I'd think if it was you, then you'd have a little more lattitude in doing what you did. If not, then not.
 
Here's my 2c.

Guitarist in Band A is a problem. If you're playing in a cover band and someone is unwilling to learn new songs and expand your repertoire, he's kinda limiting what kind of jobs you can do. That's harmful to the band and not very professional.

If he's inflexible with scheduling that's no good either. Booking a band is a lot if work and is sort of an ebb and flow process. Plans change and everybody have to roll with it. Clients cancel gigs and sometimes band members have things come up in life.
 
Oh, yeah, regarding that "All About That Bass" thing, if you were strictly a 70's & 80's rock cover band, I'd say no go. But since you mentioned you have a female singer and do some Pink & Katy Perry, your git player is wrong here (he probably doesn't like it since there's no solo where he can display his wankery). That would be a fun current song to pull off at the right time during a set.

It's apparent your guitar player is being inflexible, and this friction has probably contributed to his attitude regarding the conflicting gigs issue.
 
If you're going to be involved in more than one project, the last thing you want to do is let one band take priority over another. Once you book a gig with either band, it's up to you to make sure the other band knows you are not available on that day. Once the date is booked, it's done.

I agree with this. We have a band member that is in another, more active band, and we schedule around it.

First booking takes priority. No difference in bands. If Band A is booked first, Band B either needs to find a sub or cancel dates. (AND vice versa.)

The OP needs to notify Band A that they no longer have priority...they are equal priority with Band B. If that results in his leaving the band, such is life.
 
1. First, Fire Everyone
2. Then, Fire Yourself
3. Pour a nice Beverage

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I'm in a few bands as are many of my friends and the "first come first serve" rule is the only way to go.

That being said, people have busy lives and no gig is ever booked before everyone confirms that they are available. It is none of the other musicians' business why you happen to be unavailable for a particular gig (boundaries) but if someone is constantly unavailable this is also a problem. The use of subs is a good remedy to this problem.

Someone saying that you can only be in one band is a red flag for a person with control issues and/or a sign that a person is stuck at a junior high school level of maturity.
 
Hi,

I was hoping to play in two bands this past year, both great bands with great people, but both bands were working too much. I had to make a choice. I have one band as my main project and then fill in my calendar as a sideman with a few other ensembles.

Band A guitar player doesn't sound like too much fun to work with. A cover band that doesn't learn new tunes gets stale and will start to lose bookings.

Thank you for your indulgence,

BassCliff
 
I agree with much of the above. When playing in 2 bands the only viable solution is to tell the leader/booker of each that whichever band books the date first has priority.

That said, it's not unreasonable for the leader of one band to insist that their gigs get priority. After all, our busy schedule isn't the band leader's problem, right. That's happened to me as well. In that situation you've got to decide for yourself how to navigate around the conflict, knowing that your choice could cost you a position in one of the bands. So, I advise picking the gig being played by the band you would least want to get fired from, but with this caveat: if you agreed at the outset that Band A would get priority you must keep your word.
 
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You had established the ground rules to not be "first come, first served", but instead Band A takes priority. Granted, Band B has signed a more lucrative gig. While other gig nights in January might be available at the Band A bar, the guitar player for Band A is understandably ticked since you reneged on your "agreement" and then tried to change the date yourself. Yes, I know you thought you were doing a good thing by taking the initiative to try and move the date. In post #3 you said that you do the booking. Did you book this particular venue (Band A), or did the guitar player? I'd think if it was you, then you'd have a little more lattitude in doing what you did. If not, then not.

I booked this venue 5 years ago and it's our only regular gig ever since. I didn't mean to start WWIII by trying to simply move, not cancel, one date. I got bitched out and didn't appreciate it. I just cancelled the Band B gig, as per my agreement. Evidently I was wrong to even mention it. Far be it for me to try and keep the Band B date and keep everyone happy. Cost me $120 :(

If the bar manager had only sent us that date a week earlier there wouldn't be an issue. Anyone whoever said "It doesn't hurt to ASK" hasn't met my guitar player.

1. First, Fire Everyone
2. Then, Fire Yourself
3. Pour a nice Beverage

That has crossed my mind. Quit both these bands and try and fine one awesome one.. I tells ya, if the right opportunity came up...

Much ado about nothing.

How did Gitar A know you talked to the bar about moving dates? What was the response?

The bar manager sent us the dates using our Facebook Messenger. It was an open conversation. And, at the time, I didn't think I had anything to hide. I guess I was wrong.
 
I'm not with the guitar player necessarily, but you agreed that Band A would be primary and that you would cancel any gigs with Band B that conflicted. Now you want to do something different. I'd be a little pissed at you, too. The correct thing for you to do, short of firing everyone including yourself, would be to get a sub for Band B on the one night you couldn't make it. Presumably Band B is aware of the agreement you made with Band A.
 
I'm not with the guitar player necessarily, but you agreed that Band A would be primary and that you would cancel any gigs with Band B that conflicted. Now you want to do something different. I'd be a little pissed at you, too. The correct thing for you to do, short of firing everyone including yourself, would be to get a sub for Band B on the one night you couldn't make it. Presumably Band B is aware of the agreement you made with Band A.

So, even entertaining the idea of moving the date is taboo? I don't even have the right to ask? There's no compromise? Okay. Lesson learnt.
 
Well, I wouldn't say that, either. in my opinion, this is one of those difficult situations where there really is no right or wrong. You told the guitar player in band the Band Awould have priority, and he isn't wrong for holding you to that agreement. On the other hand, you certainly aren't wrong for trying to find a reasonable compromise that would make everybody happy. For sure, the guitar player in Band A could have been more gracious about things, but I guess that's my point – being gracious implies that a person is doing something that he or she is not otherwise obligated to do.
 
So, even entertaining the idea of moving the date is taboo? I don't even have the right to ask? There's no compromise? Okay. Lesson learnt.

You told them they were the priority and then by trying to move the date you showed them they are not. There may be room for compromise but I can understand if they are put off by it.