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Band members who drink

So Anyway, it's been a while since I've played with anyone who had more than one beer at a gig. But all my music friends older, and we've had enough bad mornings to know when to quit. Things were different when we were younger, but I don't recall every playing with anyone who was sloppy drunk at every gig.

To answer the OP, I think your friend and bandmate has made his choice and his intentions are clear. Sad to say, but I doubt if you're going to change it. The only question is if you're going to keep working with him.

Good Luck with your decision.
 
I like the idea of recording and playing back. He might hear the sloppiness. This could backfire if he thinks that he sounds great. Funny side, I played a rehearsal one time and the guitarist had some sort of drum machine that had the setting of drunk drummer. The more you turned the dial, the more random and out of time the machine got. It was funny and a real hoot to try and play along with. I've shared the stage with plenty of people who were well gone and they certainly don't play as well as they think they are. Personally I enjoy a beer, but keep it to one throughout the two hour show. I used to drink a lot more, but have scaled it back especially now that my anxiety is much more under control. Be well, BASS.
 
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I have a few beers at practice (I'll time it so I don't have more than 2 per hour) but only 1 at the most before and/or during a gig.

This is me too, I don't mind a few beers at practice. By the end of the night, it's more about the hang than the music and we enjoy that.

At a gig? I might have a beer and it might get warm and flat before I finish it. In one of my bands, we kinda do this thing where we will have a shot of whiskey, on stage, before each set. (we try to get the audience to join us. Good for bar sales) But our shots do not lead to inebriation. I've never seen any member of my bands get drunk on stage, except:

I quit a band last year over the lead singer's drinking at a gig. Slurring his words into the mic. So completely frikkin embarrassing in front of an audience. They went through 2 bass players after me and recently asked me back. I agreed but only if the lead singer didn't get drunk at gigs. We've had 2 gigs since I came back and they went quite well.

I'm all for libations, but not to the point where you can't function.
 
Record a gig where he's drunk. And let him listen to it.
If he then still thinks it's cool to be drunk on stage, he needs help (or you're in the wrong band).
I'm long gone from this guy. My last gig with him was New Year's Eve 2004 at a tourist joint in Highland SC. He couldn't find the tip jar, and began to cry. I gave notice the next morning.
 
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Tricky situation, OP.

It sounds to me like you and the singer have different goals for this band -
You want to be a tight, well-rehearsed rock band and he wants to get canned and act like he's in Guided By Voices or The Replacements. Nothing inherently wrong with either approach, but those mentalities will obviously clash.

If it's been agreed that this is a "hobby band" with low stakes, and your crowds enjoy your shows, it will certainly be a tough sell to convince the singer to change his game plan because, to him, it probably won't seem like there's any reason to.

Maybe just have the whole band sit down and answer the question "Are we a tight, focused rock band or are we a booze-rock party band?" and let majority rule. Life's too short to stress such things, especially when music is supposed to be fun!
 
Based on these points, personally I would leave it alone.

Besides, there really is no way to make someone change. Amy Winehouse - Rehab comes to mind...
Based on these points, personally I would leave it alone.

Besides, there really is no way to make someone change. Amy Winehouse - Rehab comes to mind...

Despite those points, it obviously bothers him enough to bring it to the masses here for advice. The "Ok Dad" comment is particularly annoying to me. Typical alcoholic deflection tactic. Dealt with it personally and professionally and it bugs the crap out of me.

The audience seems to respond well? They are hammered too, I am sure. lol

Is it just you that is voicing concerns? Are the other BM's echoing your concerns? Maybe if it came from more than just you, it would make a difference. If it came from not only Dad, but more of the "fam". :thumbsup:

But yeah it sucks, been there - with a drummer who had not only timing issues, but serious issues with holding onto his sticks. Add in (more than) a few 7 & 7's and it was a nightmare. Fast... slow... fast.. DUCK!! Incoming stick!!!

What an Asshat. :bored:

Best of luck to you, it is an unenviable position, that's for sure.
 
I used to drink. I live in a town where breweries are a major part of the business machine and tourism push. Lots of gigs AT breweries, taprooms, etc. They tend to pay better than regular club/bar gigs. I used to drink on gigs - responsibly for the most part, because as the bassist I never wanted to be the one who was screwing up, and because I often had to be the de-facto 'musical director' because my bandmates did drink more than me and got sloppy. I hated that - when the alcohol caused us to lose our tightness as a group. There were occasional gigs where it got out of hand, and we were all awful. Those were the exception, but now - 10 years removed from that main band I was in where the drinking was part of the regular deal, and 14 months totally sober - I cannot ever imagine being in a band again where anyone drinks to any sort of excess. After I left that group I decided I would not drink on gigs at all - but I was still drinking in my regular off stage life. Eventually that went away too - alcohol no longer served me in any positive way anymore. I still keep in touch with a couple of guys from the band and the one thing we always talk about is how much better the shows would have been if we had not been drinking. We managed to play through it and not train wreck, but the music is NEVER better the more the alcohol sets in. Recordings don't lie about this. So yeah, my personal tolerance for anyone who drinks excessively on gigs is zero. The guys in my jazz trio barely drink at all - maybe one drink the entire night, if that... and usually after we're done and chilling after the gig.
 
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One before and one per set is probably overdoing it, but that's my usual. Even that will lead to an extra missed note or change, if I'm being honest.

Multiple beers and shots before a show? No way is that an OK level. The suggestion above of recording rehearsals and gigs and frankly but gently pointing out musical and performance issues is a good one; and centers the music, not the issue.
 
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This is a trio. How good can a trio sound with one of the 3 being drunk. OP says the crowd embraces what they do. Is this a bunch of kids standing around doing the same thing? Does this trio play for pay? I don't know any establishment that will put up with slop from any band they are paying. How many of you wouldn't get fired for slop? It's obvious this drummer doesn't know he has a problem, or, he is in denial by his response to OP. "OK dad"pretty much sums it up.

I have members that may drink a couple during a night, fine! But, being BL I won't put up with drunk on stage or at rehearsal. We are WORKING supposed to be having fun enjoying what we do. But, we aren't a garage band. We are paid well so we play well. One sloppy drunk member takes that away. Casino's we play at won't have it. I don't care what anyone does but, to enable this is a dead end.
 
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We did sort of have a talk with one guy once. (Great player - and venue owner - still one of my dearest friends.)
His respectful response was: "I guess I'll have to hide it better."
Not really the correct response for the purpose of living one's best possible life. But that's not really anyone else's business.
As long as he can refrain from slugging down doubles, then carry his weight while we still have a show to play, that covers the aspect that IS our business. He pretty much did that after the talk. (But also mostly retired from the gig scene to spend more quality time with the sauce...)
Some folks maintain kind of an eccentric elliptical orbit around the flame while others just tailspin right into it.
 
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I do enjoy having a beer or two on the gig, as it relaxes me and doesn't hurt my performance. This is just me, and definitely may not pertain to others, as I am not alcohol dependent or an addict or anything, yet have a fairly high tolerance, and have been a working musician for decades. However, there definitely is a tipping point where things can get sloppy...like after three drinks for me, and I am talking over the time period of a 3 to 4 hour gig. Just beer for me, not the hard stuff. I can't imagine doing shots before even starting to play.

Sorry you are dealing with this. It sounds like chronic dangerous behavior. I am live and live, so if people drink and get stoned when they perform that's fine, but if the result is sloppiness and/or unprofessionalism, I'm out.
 
The singer-guitarist in my punk-indie trio is a pretty heavy drinker, while I'm sober. (We've been friends for more than a decade and the two of us used to get wasted quite a bit together back when I was drinking.) He still has four or five beers every time we rehearse, and generally, I'm cool with it. But it can be a problem at gigs. He starts as soon as show up for soundcheck — say, at 6. By the time we go on at 8:30 or 9, he's had three or four, as well as some shots with his friends, and he's drunk. I've found that his playing and singing really start to suffer after the third drink or so. Alcohol being what it is, he has no awareness of that. In fact, quite the opposite. His hero is Paul Westerberg, circa 1985, and even though he's old enough to know better (mid-50s), he still buys into the whole sloppy, rock-and-roll-excess myth.

FWIW, audiences seem to respond well enough. But I know that we could be so much tighter and leaner and meaner if he could control his intake. I've tried to bring it up, and his response tends to be a sarcastic, "Ok, dad."

I try hard not to judge other peoples' choices when it comes to substances. And he so clearly loves to drink when he plays. Plus, this is a hobby-band, not a moneymaking situation, so the stakes are low. So I've kind of made peace with the idea that he is who he is, and if I want to keep playing with him – which I do – I gotta accept that. But it's a shame because I know the drinking is holding us back.

Anyway, I'm curious how you-all handle similar issues with players who drink.

To me there's not many options:

-Live with it and change nothing
-Quit the band
-Fire him and replace him
-Talk to your friend about how you feel in hopes he will change

I've been in a band with a member like this and we opted for fire and replace. He had messed up too many times and the overall relationship was soured with all band members.
 
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When a gig is in my comfort zone and they're offering, I'll usually go ahead and have one drink.
I'm currently working on some material (classical) that is waaaaaaaaaay outside my comfort zone. Practicing at home, I can't drink any alcohol whatsoever without absolutely noticing its effect on my performance. (Goes from almost passable to not even close... after one watery lager!)
It does make me wonder how badass I could be if I always practiced this much - and drank this little.
 
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I don't drink but I sometimes work with people who do. Don't care unless they ruin the gig. Has rarely happened. As a matter of fact, I don't think it's ever ruined a gig.

Edit: I take that back. It's ruined a couple. But very rarely.
 
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I bet this a common issue among "bar bands". My last band got together just for the sake of the party, and we thought we sounded great. But when fall down bar patrons tell you how out of time you are, then, you know there's a problem. I quit drinking at gigs, and my drummer was a very light drinker at most, so we really gelled after that, and we hoped that the other two skinny stringers would follow suit, but that did not happen. When local bars quit hiring us, because of complaints about the quality of our sets, I knew what was up, but they were in denial. We are no longer a band, since Covid, and I have no longing for the drama. My only advice would be to seek out bandmates who are more interested in making music than making noise.
 
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I can't offer 1st person advice as I just don't drink (spent alcohol initiation age locked in my room playing Rush, have the palate of a child for alcohol, just don't like it). But I've played and still play with people from all walks of life with all sorts of habits and one of the hardest to deal with is definitely alcohol.

I agree with many here stating he'll eventually change IF/WHEN HE WANTS TO. At the same time, if it were my friend, I'd definitely try checking out what he's escaping from thru' it (looks like it, many times). I really pity those guys whose chain will go off the moment they get in the van. Most times they need a hand at real "earthly" levels (couple, kids, work, money). Not saying you should become an NGO for drunk bandmates, but if he's a friend, just out of personal involvement, I'd discretely and non-judgementally check out other corners of his life even before trying any advice or anything.

I'm rarely one to point fingers on this (I do my share of 420, when convenient and adequate), and I've been lucky enough to only have had to comment on the subject a few times in 35 years playing, only when it was really an issue (bad performance, bad behaviour/PR).

Sometimes alcohol causes pretty decent guitarists to turn into the world's biggest a-hole too.

And that for me is the worst part. I can definitely take a sloppy performance way better than I can accept cockyness, bad manners or just lack of respect for people and situations in general. IME interpersonal screwups are way harder to mend than music/performance ones.
 
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