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Barefaced 69'er thread

Awesome.... And I go from being totally happy with my cab to feeling seriously bummed out that I didn't wait for two more months. I would bet that one of those "last two 69ers" in the picture is mine....

Kinda wish you had told me about the new cab Alex
 
I think you ordered your cab in November and received it in February (and definitely isn't in that photo!) These won't be out until late June. If I felt the '69er wouldn't have been right for you but that the cab which was in development at the time would have been a much better fit then I'd have told you about it (though that is totally contrary to normal practice for any manufacturer!)

I don't know what you'd have done in our position?
 
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I've been writing an explanation for our site - here's a first draft:

Retro10 - why is the 10CR250 ferrite?

The first reason is TONE. Not better tone but different tone. This is a contentious issue because ever since lightweight neo drivers appeared on the bass guitar scene there have been naysayers insisting that they can't produce the heavy or weighty bass sound that heavy ferrite drivers can. However, neo drivers are actually better at producing a big clean uncoloured tone because a neo magnet has a much more stable magnetic field.

The field created by ceramic (ferrite) magnet changes shape and intensity in reaction to the current flowing through the voicecoil - this generates a certain amount of midrange distortion, reducing the resolution and adding a distinct tonal character particularly at higher SPL.

If you spend enough money on a ferrite driver, using a cast alloy frame, adding copper and/or aluminium shorting rings and using a particularly huge magnet so you can saturate the pole pieces then, in theory, you could get a ferrite driver to sound just like a neo driver (although in practice the huge difference in magnet size and thus woofer basket shape changes the acoustic behaviour of the reflected back wave).

If we want to make an old school sounding driver then we feel that the distortions inherent to typical ferrite magnets are an important part of the tone.

The second reason is output. We wanted to create a driver with significantly more excursion than those in the '69er. This required a frame and magnet structure with the room to let a long voice coil move back and forth a long way and the only such 10" neo structures available have very large diameter voice coils which would restrict the high frequency extension and also its dispersion. So to get the big output in the lows and the tone in the highs we needed a ferrite driver.

We could have created a 10" neo driver for the Retro Six10 but it wouldn't have had such an old school character in the mids and little more than half the max output in the lows. Yes, it would have brought the weight down from the '69er's by about 6lbs but the cab is already very light for its size, especially as we've had customers question the stability with a heavy valve amp on top. The neodymium would also have increased the component cost further (noting that the 10CR250 drivers in the Retro Six10 are a step above those in the '69er), so we'd have had to raise the price much more.

When we at Barefaced state our goals are:

Maximum tone
Maximum output
Minimum weight

we mean it in that order. Get the tone and output we want. Then make the cab as light as possible without affecting the tone and output whilst ensuring it remains gig tough and reliable with a very long working life.

For the Retro10 series the only way to hit the tone and output goals was with ferrite drivers - they're still lightweight cabs though!

I like the way you think, Alex! :bassist: :bassist: :bassist: :cool:
 
Yup, this retro six10 sounds like my dream cab. But since i have a supertwin that im totally happy with and my second one should arrive in a couple weeks, I'll just stick with the plan.


Come on, you know you want it - just do it Chris!
 
Shut up voice in my head!!!! Nah, Im actually very happy with the ST cab. Realistically, I probably would get my exact tone with this new cab with the eq set flat but, since I do have eq, I can get whatever sound I want out of the ST and it does it better than anything else I've ever used. And, one six10 has 1500 Vd, a pair of ST's has 2200 Vd!!!!! Them's some big balls. If I would have known about this six10 before I placed my order I would have waited but, Im happy. Somebody else can spend some cash, Im passing the ball.
 
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I think the Barefaced site listed them as 990 British Pounds. Not cheap but then again even the more mass produced Fender 610 neo is going for $1400 US. I suspect that getting 12 ohm ohm drivers (or whatever the needed impedance is) specially made in order to make a 4ohm cab with six drivers is what drives up the price. Normally a manufacturer just uses the same 8 or 16 ohm drivers in a 6x10 cab as they use in a 4x10 or 2x10 cab. That makes a 6x10 cab 5.3ohms which might not be ideal for tube heads. For example Epifani, Schroeder and Markbass do it that way. Fender, Barefaced, Bergantino and perhaps Ampeg are the only companies I know of that use a different driver specially made for their 6x10 cabs resulting in 4ohm impedance. Now that Bergantino is phasing out the NV610 there are fewer choices for the all-tube crowd.
Shipping and import taxes are the only thing keeping me from pulling the trigger on this and other Barefaced products. Kringle, if you don't mind me asking, what was that like for the Barefaced cab you recently picked up?
Hidesert- be sure to let us know what you think of the '69er paired with that SVT! Congrats.
Alex of Barefaced- did I read somewhere that you would be open to sending out one of your cabs for a 'tour' of bassists in the U.S. to audition? If so, sign me up for the new retro 610. I've read so many enthusiastic reviews of the other cabs you've built, but your cabinets are still relatively rare over here. I don't think the price you are asking is unreasonable, but especially considering the dollar to pound exchange rate I really do have to be sure before making that kind of an investment. The opportunity to audition one of these cabs would be a huge help.
 
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I will be more than happy to post my impressions of the '69er when it arrives later this week.
Also, I would be interested in ANY "tour" that would bring a cab I am interested in owning to Northern New Mexico before shelling out $$$$! Being able to try out a cab like this in a band setting with my head and my bass would be extremely valuable to me, well worth the cost of a single shipping charge. Compare that to driving 600 miles round trip to spend an hour or two in a bass store in Arizona or Colorado. This is why the brands carried by the big box stores have achieved and continue to maintain their hegemony. They arrive and, if no magic happens, they are returned, all for the cost of a shipping charge.
BTW, the Fender 610 Neo weighs a reported "less than 90 lbs.". Hard to put a price on the 40% weight reduction offered by the '69er, but, to me, it's substantial.
 

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