Bass Player 4x10" Shootout

[hasbeen]

Genz Benz made cabinets back that far? I've only seen them in the last 2-3 years.

this year is our 25th anniversary. We've actually made a lot of innovations too, that are widespread now, within cabinet offerings on the market.

 

[pickles]

I've got it and could scan it if you like (send me a PM to remind me) ... but many of the cabs are discontinued, and there are lots of new players to consider. I still think the cabs that "won" that shootout are some of the best sounding ever ... SWR Goliath II, Eden D-410T, and Ampeg 410HE. I like those cabs better than many of the "improved" versions now available, and better than most of the boutique gear I've tried. That shootout caused me to buy the Peavey, which was all I could afford at the time, and it served me really well for years. It sounded a LOT like a G2 ... just a little wider down low and not quite as tight and growly.

They hated the Mesa Diesel, the Genz, the Carvin (pre-redline), that crazy bullfrog thing, and the paper cone Hartke.

 

[duff2]

Lusted for a D410T for years after I first read that article. By the time I could afford them, Eden had stopped making 'em. Eventually found them used when everyone else moved over to front ported cabinets. I absolutely love these cabinets. They are easy to carry (not much bigger than an Eden 210XLT) and they sound incredible (very loud and very even across the whole spectrum). For some odd reason many individuals believe that these cabinets don't handle a B-string well. Nothing could be farther from the truth.

Cheers,
Duff2

 

[RexNFX79]

SWR was surely ranked. I've used their cabs for over ten years now.

 

[danomite64]

Eden, Ampeg and Peavey had the highest ranked cabs, but in the most important column (Sound), SWR tied them.

Here's the rankings:

Carvin V410T
Construction: 5
Components: 4
Portability: 5
Sound: 3
Value: 4


Peavey 410TX
Construction: 5
Components: 5
Portability: 3
Sound: 5
Value: 5


Hartke MX410
Construction: 4
Components: 4
Portability: 5
Sound: 3
Value: 4


Ampeg SVT-410HET
Construction: 4
Components: 5
Portability: 4
Sound: 5
Value: 5


Mesa/Boogie 4x10 Basis
Construction: 5
Components: 5
Portability: 3
Sound: 3
Value: 4


Genz-Benz GB 410T-XB
Construction: 5
Components: 5
Portability: 2
Sound: 3
Value: 4


Marshall 7041
Construction: 5
Components: 5
Portability: 5
Sound: 3
Value: 4


Bullfrog C410T
Construction: 5
Components: 5
Portability: 2
Sound: 3
Value: 4


Eden 410T
Construction: 5
Components: 5
Portability: 4
Sound: 5
Value: 5


SWR Goliath II
Construction: 4
Components: 5
Portability: 3
Sound: 5
Value: 4

 

[wlittle]

I must agree about the SWR. I play through an '82 GK 800rb, a Goliath III and a 2x12 Couldn't be happier withthe sound. My only tweak would be a tweeter as opposed to the hi freq horn.

Cheers

 

[ErnieD]

for a 410 cab again, I think. I sold my Goli III & SOB 115 about 2 yrs ago when I bought my 2 GB Neox 212T's. But recently, I bought a used D210T from a TBer that dropped Em Deltalites in it and its a huge sounding 210 @ 500 watts now. I've used it with one of the 212T cabs, sounds good w/B1500.

But I have a chance to buy a used 410XLT to go w/D210T. So what's the evolution of the Eden 410 from D410T to XLT? New speakers, cab bracing, cab tuning, etc? Is it a better made cab now. But I've never played or heard myself thru a Eden 410, guess I need to go check this 410 out to know.

FINALLY, is the 212 cab really the new 410 as many say? I may not need a 410 afterall if that's so.

 

[BassmanPaul]

Reading an old issue of Bass Player magazine I realized that years ago they made a shootout of 4x10" cabinet. From my understanding, this was featured on the November issue of the magazine, year 1995. I know that's a pretty old shootout but i would be really interested in thaking a look to what they wrote about some 4x10" cabs.
Is there anyone who has this old BP and is able to make a scan and send it to me?

Sorry I just gave all my old Bass Player magazines away. From Issue #1 actually. <sigh> If only I had a bigger house!

Paul

 

[BassmanPaul]

As a second thought, there have been so many new 4x10 issued since '95 that the shootout is pretty meaningless today.

Paul

 

[mrpackerguy]

I'd be particularly interested in the Acme Low B4 II versus the Berg AE410

 

[mike_v_s]

As a second thought, there have been so many new 4x10 issued since '95 that the shootout is pretty meaningless today.

Paul

Oh, I don't know. There is a huge used market and the move to lighter equipment means the heavier stuff is selling cheap(er). Those Peavey's can be had for $300 all day and I've seen quite a few for $200. Goliath 2's go for just a bit more. Now, I'm not in the mood to haul 80lbs to practice anymore, but I'll definitely drop 80lbs off at the practice space and, for $200, not worry about leaving it there in the least.

Mike

 

[Jazzdogg]

I did a search and was surprised to find no 4x10 shootouts by Tom Bowlus.

 

[tombowlus]

I did a search and was surprised to find no 4x10 shootouts by Tom Bowlus.

I have been tempted to do one...

 

[Bassorama57]

Time for a new round then, although I do think the fashion has shifted towards 12"s

 

[Richard Lindsey]

Genz Benz made cabinets back that far? I've only seen them in the last 2-3 years.

Oh yeah, they did. In fact, I played through a rented one on an out-of-town gig in Phoenix sometime around 1995 or 1996. It was the front-ported model mentioned in the review. I remember liking it a lot--much more than the Hartke 4-10s I usually ended up with on traveling gigs back then.

 

[LaughingGroove]

This is not to start a war, and is no way saying anything bad about BP mag. (I'm a subscriber myself)

However you cannot (well should not) trust most mag reviews. Advertising plays a large part of the ratings and the equipment that mags review. This is a bit off subject but also relates. I have a friend that works for a major dirt bike mag (read that line again slowly and you should be able to figure out which one). When the reviews came out I was a bit suprised that they gave all bikes good ratings (overall) with some that suprised me to be better. When I asked him about this, he said that most mags (I said most, not all) won't come right out and say yeah this one is junk, because they don't want to lose a possible customer for advertising profits. He also said that the companies that do the most advertising with them will get the best reviews regardless.

Just something to think about when reading reviews/ratings. Trust YOUR ears, not someone else's.

I know that you can't hear everything, so it is nice to be able to pick up a mag and compare, but its not always accurate either.

 

[millsbass5]

I`ve had the Eden 4x10 XLTs(2) and a WT-800 since that shootout.They`re still kickass cabs,but I`m looking for a more refined hi-fi sounding head &cab(s).Any suggestions?I would like suggestions for a "MONEY IS NO OBJECT"boutique rig and a nice"BANG FOR THE BUCK"hi-fi rig I can take to the flying poolcue&beer bottle clubs.G.A.S.is hitting hard since its tax time and the promotion at work.
Thanks

 

[JMDT]

I`ve had the Eden 4x10 XLTs(2) and a WT-800 since that shootout.They`re still kickass cabs,but I`m looking for a more refined hi-fi sounding head &cab(s).Any suggestions?I would like suggestions for a "MONEY IS NO OBJECT"boutique rig and a nice"BANG FOR THE BUCK"hi-fi rig I can take to the flying poolcue&beer bottle clubs.G.A.S.is hitting hard since its tax time and the promotion at work.
Thanks

Check out Dr. Bass, ACME, and Accugrove. I know they all make 3-way cabs which are more hi-fi.

 

[BassmanPaul]

This is not to start a war, and is no way saying anything bad about BP mag. (I'm a subscriber myself)

However you cannot (well should not) trust most mag reviews. Advertising plays a large part of the ratings and the equipment that mags review. This is a bit off subject but also relates. I have a friend that works for a major dirt bike mag (read that line again slowly and you should be able to figure out which one). When the reviews came out I was a bit suprised that they gave all bikes good ratings (overall) with some that suprised me to be better. When I asked him about this, he said that most mags (I said most, not all) won't come right out and say yeah this one is junk, because they don't want to lose a possible customer for advertising profits. He also said that the companies that do the most advertising with them will get the best reviews regardless.

Just something to think about when reading reviews/ratings. Trust YOUR ears, not someone else's.

I know that you can't hear everything, so it is nice to be able to pick up a mag and compare, but its not always accurate either.

To some extent I'll agree with you BUT sometimes you have to go with a leap of faith. I did this when I bought my first Carvin six string after reading positive reviews about Carvin in BP. I have three now. Never regretted a single purchase. I did it again after reading the reviews on The Acme B2. I own four and now I'd use nothing else.

Paul

 

[greenboy]

Even funnier is that a lot of the products in this moldy shootout have long since been superceded - sometimes several generations of incremental changes have occurred.

Kinda reminds me how people compare their Peavey experiences way back when using a two or three decades old product with some fairly current product, and then remark about "Peavey sound" ; }