Bass Player Pet Peeves

[johnvice]

-and Russian chicks

~Michael

Russian chicks ?!? I can only speak English but the sound of Russian with those fast consanant sounds is soooooooo sexy

 

[buzzbass]

thats taking things a little out of context.
Pub cover band compared to a symphony orchestra?... riiiiight. I believe its ridiculous that cover bands get paid more then an original act.

Believe what you want. The fact is that most people want to hear music that they know while they're out drinking. That's whycover bands get paid more. I had illusions of being an "artist" at one point too. I later realized that being a "pro" means you get paid for it. The odds against making it in an original band are so high, it's almost not worth trying. I'd rather be paid for my efforts. And, the analogy was not out of context. The same theory applies to most Jazz bands that play out as well. God Bless you in your quest, but I think someday you'll come to the same realization that I did. It's fine, I enjoy seeing the crowd having fun, that's what is most important to me. The music I play is almost secondary at this point. Question; how old are you ? Your views will change a great deal as you get older. No matter what anyone says, you're not a professional musician unless you are getting paid. I still love what I do, even though I "sold out" a long time ago.

 

[i_got_a_mohawk]

"Cover bands . . . seriously, getting paid to rip off other peoples music is not right or fair :scowl: "

So, by your definition everyone who's ever played in a symphony orchestra is a rip off artist. Nice. Get off your high horse. You're just bitter because we're getting paid and you're not.

Get off my high horse? i have had the chance to be in 2 (possibly 3) pub cover bands this year, and declined them, yeah, must feel great getting paid to cover song after song of another band, maybe one or 2 covers in a set, but, jeez, learn to write your own stuff, ever tried that?



To the dude about russian chicks, never met one, but, if they are anything like the czech and polish girls i've met . . . mmmm

 

[PhilaCPJ]

Believe what you want. The fact is that most people want to hear music that they know while they're out drinking. That's whycover bands get paid more. I had illusions of being an "artist" at one point too. I later realized that being a "pro" means you get paid for it. The odds against making it in an original band are so high, it's almost not worth trying. I'd rather be paid for my efforts. And, the analogy was not out of context. The same theory applies to most Jazz bands that play out as well. God Bless you in your quest, but I think someday you'll come to the same realization that I did. It's fine, I enjoy seeing the crowd having fun, that's what is most important to me. The music I play is almost secondary at this point. Question; how old are you ? Your views will change a great deal as you get older. No matter what anyone says, you're not a professional musician unless you are getting paid. I still love what I do, even though I "sold out" a long time ago.

I have to fire off an "amen brother" salute to such wisdom. The music world is rife with all sorts of petty infighting and warring fiefdoms about art vs. artifice or whether jazz is the pinnacle of musical acheivement. It's all a bunch of horse****.

Way back in high school and even college, when I had the wonderful support network known as the parents' health insurance plan and financial backing, I entertained all these mythopoeic notions about how wonderful it is to starve for your art, how it somehow divorces yourself from the moral bankruptcy of pop music, that it makes you superior. I envisioned myself squatting in a dilapidated rowhome, surviving on nothing but ramen noodles, writing some musical equivalent to the next great americal novel, free from the distractions of a capitalist society.

More than ten years later, I'm holding down a dayjob as a software engineer making enough money to buy GOOD equipment, have a comfy roof over my head, feed my sushi habit, and be able to see a doctor if some internal organ explodes. There's nothing cool about starving to death or having to play through garbage gear or spend all your time worrying about being evicted. All that stuff DISTRACTS you from writing good music. Blues artists would probably disagree, but might grant me an exemption if I were a womanizing alcoholic who found myself waking up in a gutter half the week.

Now my girlfriend who's in college at the moment with a jazz flute performance concentration claims I'm not a real musician because I don't live and breathe it 24/7/265 -- somehow working in computers mars my street cred as a musician. But she doesn't complain when I have the dough to take her to Florida for a week. ;-)

I think the crux of the beef between the sellouts (cover guys) and sellout-to-bes (most original acts) is jealousy pure and simple. I've seen a LOT of horrible, just AWFUL original acts -- most original bands are just TERRIBLE. But I've also seen some truly excellent cover bands whose covers sound better than the originals (for instance, U2's Helter Skelter just blows the Beatle's version out of the water). The coverbands get paid, they play the A-rooms, they get the chicks, they have a GREAT time. Covers or not, when a large crowd is into the music YOU'RE playing (and when it's your band playing it, is it still really someone else's song), it's a feeling matched by very little else in this miserable world.

The good coverbands I respect because the business of being IN a good coverband is a royal pain in the ass. Practicing constantly, having to deal with scruple-impaired managers, playing out several times a week all over the place. In a place like Philadelphia, there's always a large pool of coverbands looking to take your place. It's competetive and you have to work your ass off.

If you're in an original band, it's easy to whine about how patently unfair it is that these "cheesy, sellout coverband weenies" have a monopoly on the good places to play, how if only you got that one break people would appreciated your genius and it would be YOU playing these A-rooms. But supply and demand dictate that the bulk of bargoers are interested in a) getting tanked and b) singing out of key and out of meter to a coverband while trying to get into the pants of some 18 year old girl with a bad id.

I've played coverbands, I've done originals. But at the end of the gig, it was always the size of the audience and their reaction that turned (or didn't) turn my crank. I never once felt like a jackass for playing a song I didn't personally author.

Anyway, enough of my rant. Feel free to flame me if you want.

Here's my pet peeve:

BEATLES SONGS! I HATE the Beatles. I hate each and every one of them. My girlfriend insists Paul McCartney's a musical genius. And she's threatened actual violence (facetiously) at my taunts otherwise.

.cpj

 

[The 0x]

• Drummers who spend their money on weed, and don't chip in on shipping for a P.A. amp.
• Drummers who spend their money on weed, but then bum money off of the guitarist & I for food when they get the munchies.
• Drummers who are late to practice at his own house, because he was out smoking weed.
• Drummers who can't keep a beat, because they were smoking weed, forcing me to have to keep the beat, play countermelodies to the guitar, and sing. I shouldn't have to worry about the drummer going out of time all the time.
• Drummers who play rediculous fills, then come back into the song too early or too late.
• Drummers who allow their skins to get so old, that they'll break in the middle of practice, and then don't have any spares.
• Drummer who are obsessed with Led Zeppelin and trying to be John Bonham.
• Drummers who want to cover most of the Led Zeppelin catalogue, but will never consider covering anything else from another band.
• Drummers who always want to play Moby Dick, and then take a half hour with the drum solo.
• Drummers who are in other bands which don't take care of our equipment at all, and even smash up our equipment just for ****s & giggles.
• Drummers who use a cowbell in part of a song for no reason.
• Drummers who don't dig the "telepathy" between me & the guitarist, and will shout out in between songs, "play Machine Gun next"
• Drummers who noodle around while we're trying to tune up.
• Drummers who noodle around while the guitarist & I are trying to speak to each other.

This is basically my drummer summed up in so many words, who we're about to kick out, as soon as we find another one. Interestingly enough, I have almost no pet peeves about my guitarist. It's like we're musically attached to the hip, or something.

As far as other bassplayers:

• Bassplayers who feel the need to slap constantly.
• Bassplayers who scoop out their mids
• Bassplayers who say overdrive makes me sound like a guitar.
• Bassplayers who say you aren't a bassplayer if you aren't playing just the root.
• Bassplayers who are so obsessed with Jaco, that they're practically sodomizing his corpse.
• Jazz Basses. Can't stand the way they sound.
• Bassplayers who use just the bridge pickup (Stingrays excluded). It's annoying sounding.
• Fretless bassplayers who solo the bridge pickup to sound just like Jaco. It was his sound, and frankly, it wasn't that great sounding! Stop imitating it!
• People who say that Precision basses are muddy. Try playing one into an amp with some clarity, and they're not muddy at all.
• People who say "brand X is the best" etc, especially when X=Ampeg, and they say that I should use Ampeg as well. I don't want to sound like every other bass player out there.
• Bass solos with no accompaniment from other instruments. (My Generation excluded) It's difficult to do, and even harder to solo while still maintaining a groove, but the effort pays off. It'll also keep the audience's attention if you're playing a bass solo that the guitarist is still at least playing chords to.
• Flatwound strings. Alot of people I know swear by them, and that's fine with me. But I can't stand their lack of sustain, and the way they feel. I spend alot of time building up these callouses, and i'm not letting them goto waste!!!
• Aluminum coned speakers.
• Tweeters.
• Overdrive pedals used with tweeters.
• Most Gibson basses played with a pick. There's just not enough treble in the sound to allow the pick sound to come through!!!

All of this of course, is my opinion. If I seem to be stating something factually above, it probably wasn't, it's just my opinion.

*dons flamesuit*

 

[bucephylus]

Getting to the gig, and the drummer is already set up all the way back in the corner or against the wall; so, there's zero chance to get the bass amp behind him where he can hear what the bass is playing.

This seems to be the knee jerk setup everyone uses. Why, oh why?

 

[Ed Goode]

Gotta give some support to my guy buzzbass .......

Cover bands play the crazy majority of the night club and club date gigs that are available because people want to hear songs they can recognize. Most crowds are not interested in the original ramblings of some deep thinking band that has zero name recognition. You wanna be an all original band? Go get yourself some competant management/representation, starve for some indeterminant period of time, then go on the road and play your original songs every night for, oh, I don't know, maybe 9 months straight .... watch how fast the thrill of your 15 original songs wears off .... you'll be begging the rest of the band to play "Brown Eyed Girl", just for the change of pace ...

Originals are great, well over 1/2 of the gigs I do are with original writers, but the cake comes from covers.

Pet peeves?

1) Guitar players who bounce around directly in front of my face ... go entertain the audience, I don't need to look at you sweating like an idiot.

2) As many have said, drummers who move the time around.

3) Bass players who can only read tab ..... Seriously, learn to at least recognize a chord chart.

4) Guys who call up begging me to come to a "jam" (Lord, I hate these dumb-a** jams) and then have nothing even remotely ready to play and we end up doing some lame 12 bar blues progression.

5) People who touch my basses without my permission ..... get your hands off of my stuff (BTW, major props to the NYC GTG attendees for the very professional and respectful handling of everyones basses)

6) Bass players playing out of tune .... please, go out and buy a $15 tuner ......

 

[sirnoahthepure]

Bass players who do something really neat and then wont show a novice (I was kinda suprised at some of the hostility when I would praise someone and ask how to learn to do that; then they would get on there high horse with me ESPECIALLY OLDER VETERAN PLAYERS)

Bass players who dismiss tapping as showing off.
Bass players who call pickers nothing more than reject guitar players.
Older bass players (in my limited experience) who believe that slappers are the devil's childern or punk kids.
Bass players who refuse to try using there plucking fingers
Guitarits who say they can play bass /and really cant
Musicians who refuse to try out a technique just because (insert a really bad reason)

People saying im to young for college (I dont know it just pisses me off)

Musicians who believe that because I go to college and work I will lack the discipline to progress quickly so write me off.

By the way I am not saying that I can do most techiniques well or even play that well (certainly not at any level as the people here). But I really try hard to learn the bass and I am frankly suprised at some of the almost bitterness between the different schools of bass playing.

 

[subsonic87]

Get off my high horse? i have had the chance to be in 2 (possibly 3) pub cover bands this year, and declined them, yeah, must feel great getting paid to cover song after song of another band, maybe one or 2 covers in a set, but, jeez, learn to write your own stuff, ever tried that?



To the dude about russian chicks, never met one, but, if they are anything like the czech and polish girls i've met . . . mmmm

Hmm, pet peeves? How about people who hijack threads to flame each other?
Oh, and Adam Clayton. There's nothing worse than a guy who's been playing for 25 years and should know better who still sounds like a punk kid who just picked up a bass.

 

[skewh]

Bassists that assume that they're are better than me simply because they have five or more strings . . . and man do they get embarrassed when they hear me play.

Bassists with muddy, indiscernible tone.

Professional bassists that are extremely boring and simplistic in their "grooves;" I saw Herbie Hancock and Bonnaroo, and the bassist was so lame! I could play circles around this joker.

Bass players that don't know when to back off (i.e. during an open solo section).

And now for non-bass pet peeves . . .

Any other players that don't know when to back off (see above).

Drummers that, despite a clearly audible count off, can't get their damned triplet pickups in time.

Guitar players that play rhythm (or lead for that matter) with no feeling (i.e. just strumming on the one and the three).

Musicians that play with no taste (i.e. extremely fast pentatonic/blues scales).

Musicians that get their majors and minors confused.

Musicians/people that assume I know nothing about music theory because I'm a bassist . . . yet in the jazz band at my school I am without a doubt the most knowledgeable musician.

Drummers that simply cannot keep a groove.

Guitarists with that extremely high, cutting, metallic tone . . . I'm sure you've all seen them at Guitar Center or Sam Ash.

Guitar players that play solid state amps and can't make them sound good.

Keyboard players that chose awful sounds that don't fit the songs at all.

People that assume I can't be that good at bass because I'm sixteen years old . . . but I can honestly say I have never met a bassist who is better than me.

Whew, that was fun.

P.S. - I'm not trying to sound arrogant here, I just sound that way.

 

[The Owl]

• Drummers who spend their money on weed, and don't chip in on shipping for a P.A. amp.
• Drummers who spend their money on weed, but then bum money off of the guitarist & I for food when they get the munchies.
• Drummers who are late to practice at his own house, because he was out smoking weed.
• Drummers who can't keep a beat, because they were smoking weed, forcing me to have to keep the beat, play countermelodies to the guitar, and sing. I shouldn't have to worry about the drummer going out of time all the time.
• Drummers who play rediculous fills, then come back into the song too early or too late.
• Drummers who allow their skins to get so old, that they'll break in the middle of practice, and then don't have any spares.
• Drummer who are obsessed with Led Zeppelin and trying to be John Bonham.
• Drummers who want to cover most of the Led Zeppelin catalogue, but will never consider covering anything else from another band.
• Drummers who always want to play Moby Dick, and then take a half hour with the drum solo.
• Drummers who are in other bands which don't take care of our equipment at all, and even smash up our equipment just for ****s & giggles.
• Drummers who use a cowbell in part of a song for no reason.
• Drummers who don't dig the "telepathy" between me & the guitarist, and will shout out in between songs, "play Machine Gun next"
• Drummers who noodle around while we're trying to tune up.
• Drummers who noodle around while the guitarist & I are trying to speak to each other.

This is basically my drummer summed up in so many words, who we're about to kick out, as soon as we find another one. Interestingly enough, I have almost no pet peeves about my guitarist. It's like we're musically attached to the hip, or something.

As far as other bassplayers:

• Bassplayers who feel the need to slap constantly.
• Bassplayers who scoop out their mids
• Bassplayers who say overdrive makes me sound like a guitar.
• Bassplayers who say you aren't a bassplayer if you aren't playing just the root.
• Bassplayers who are so obsessed with Jaco, that they're practically sodomizing his corpse.
• Jazz Basses. Can't stand the way they sound.
• Bassplayers who use just the bridge pickup (Stingrays excluded). It's annoying sounding.
• Fretless bassplayers who solo the bridge pickup to sound just like Jaco. It was his sound, and frankly, it wasn't that great sounding! Stop imitating it!
• People who say that Precision basses are muddy. Try playing one into an amp with some clarity, and they're not muddy at all.
• People who say "brand X is the best" etc, especially when X=Ampeg, and they say that I should use Ampeg as well. I don't want to sound like every other bass player out there.
• Bass solos with no accompaniment from other instruments. (My Generation excluded) It's difficult to do, and even harder to solo while still maintaining a groove, but the effort pays off. It'll also keep the audience's attention if you're playing a bass solo that the guitarist is still at least playing chords to.
• Flatwound strings. Alot of people I know swear by them, and that's fine with me. But I can't stand their lack of sustain, and the way they feel. I spend alot of time building up these callouses, and i'm not letting them goto waste!!!
• Aluminum coned speakers.
• Tweeters.
• Overdrive pedals used with tweeters.
• Most Gibson basses played with a pick. There's just not enough treble in the sound to allow the pick sound to come through!!!

All of this of course, is my opinion. If I seem to be stating something factually above, it probably wasn't, it's just my opinion.

*dons flamesuit*

Amen Brother!!!!!

And I add:

Musicians of ANY type that are MORBIDLY obsessed with Rush.

I LOVE Jaco but I really hate it when people mindlessly imitate him and the most surface aspects at that.

Musicians that appraoch gear acquisition like a nuclear arms race. WHY?

 

[violatedppl]

Amen Brother!!!!!

And I add:

Musicians that appraoch gear acquisition like a nuclear arms race. WHY?

this is the truth some people have more gear than a small country would need.

another peet peeve: the fact the target sell a strat ,LP knock offs and include some half ass attempt at a bass "it got "defected" out for my pleasure " oh yeah they also sell dist, chorus, and a wah pedal and have the most half ass samples I have ever heard.

PS I work there and have to put up with way to many bitchy people. to those who are parents if you kid is crying he better have something better to cry about than he didnt get a toy. my dads favorite line "you want something to cry about" that got me to shut the hell up.

- fast food places that dont offer free refills.
-playing when my fingers are freezing cold. this one really blows
- this band I played with looked at my pedalboard and said "is that the pedal cliff burton had", refuring to my big muff
-the fact that the guitar center I go to has a crap load of low end basses and just a couple of "high" end. but I must say they has a couple of nice MM, warwicks, and one pedulla which seems like a very nice bass but it would be better as a 4 banger, also that same GC has a mesa 400+ with something wrong with it and they wont fix it

 

[Shearstown]

At at botb I put off last week. My band is on the stage and we're on the clock. So this Guy gets up right after we finish a song. He's a drummer for the band who HAD JUST played. First he "thanked" me for putting off the show. then proceeded to plug his own show. IN THE MIDDLE OF OUR SET. If you want to plug a show come to me and askme to and I'll do it when there is no one on stage at the moment. I think he only did it is because we had the most people up to the stage at that point and time. then his guitarist gets up on stage during the middle of a song and just stands up and talks to my guitarist. While he's playing. These guys are some new "up-and-comers" who actually got close to last at this event (It was judged not crowd response). They are a very arrogant bunch for guys who weren't all that good. Very slooppy drummer, they were tuned to C and it sounded ****ty. The drummer got on stage for another band and just stood up straght and noodded his head repatedly. These guys also had the nerve to talk about another band placing over them.

 

[Fealach]

-Going into a music store and hearing someone play Higher Ground.
-Going into a music store and seeing a 40 year old dude playing Higher Ground. :scowl:

So you'd be peeved to walk into a music store and bump into this guy playing Higher Ground:

Flea — Date of Birth: 16 October 1962

Interesting.

As for pet peeves, I have to many to keep as pets, I'm more of a peeve farmer. One that comes to mind is people who are all hot to buy something you're selling, so you do all the legwork, pack it up, get estimates, and even come down on your price... then you contact them to say it's all set, just pay me and it'll be shipped... and suddenly they disappear, won't return emails, etc. That and trying to do business with anyone in Rhode Island. It's never worked out for me. This summer I drove out to Newport to buy a cab from a guy, who decided it'd be cool to be NOT HOME. And the phone # he gave was disconnected. That wasn't the first time a Rhode Islander has done that to me either. The previous time I was trying to sell a cab, the place he picked to meet charged for parking, and he never made it. Never again, no matter how sweet the deal might seem.

 

[Gard]

People that assume I can't be that good at bass because I'm sixteen years old . . . but I can honestly say I have never met a bassist who is better than me.

I don't know where in Florida you are, but trust me, you must either be in Yeehaw Junction (which actually exists! ) or just hiding in your bedroom!!!



A short list of residents and regular performers in the Sunshine State that will without question bury anyone:

Dave LaRue: Ocala
Beaver Felton: Orlando
Jeff Berlin: Clearwater
Jeff Carswell: Ft. Lauderdale

And, if you want to get put in your place quickly, just go to Bass Central on a random Saturday afternoon, because I assure you, you will meet and hear the best players that way. Some of 'em work there (I used to, and trust me when I tell you, there are some monsters in Florida), one teaches there (LaRue), and all of the good ones shop there.

I'm sure you have some talent, but saying that you're the best bassist you know shows that you don't know many bassists. Try getting out of the bedroom once in a while.

 

[morebass!]

-Going into a music store and hearing someone play Higher Ground.
-Going into a music store and seeing a 40 year old dude playing Higher Ground. :scowl:

I just did that last week! And I'm 45. I knew that I wasn't cool but this is getting ridiculous.

 

[ladros2]

Skewh, maybe you'd like to post some clips, or better yet, a video, if you're so confident in your abilities.

 

[The 0x]

Amen Brother!!!!!

And I add:

Musicians of ANY type that are MORBIDLY obsessed with Rush.

I LOVE Jaco but I really hate it when people mindlessly imitate him and the most surface aspects at that.

Musicians that appraoch gear acquisition like a nuclear arms race. WHY?

*adds to buddy list, swells with pride*

 

[The 0x]

At at botb I put off last week. My band is on the stage and we're on the clock. So this Guy gets up right after we finish a song. He's a drummer for the band who HAD JUST played. First he "thanked" me for putting off the show. then proceeded to plug his own show. IN THE MIDDLE OF OUR SET. If you want to plug a show come to me and askme to and I'll do it when there is no one on stage at the moment. I think he only did it is because we had the most people up to the stage at that point and time. then his guitarist gets up on stage during the middle of a song and just stands up and talks to my guitarist. While he's playing. These guys are some new "up-and-comers" who actually got close to last at this event (It was judged not crowd response). They are a very arrogant bunch for guys who weren't all that good. Very slooppy drummer, they were tuned to C and it sounded ****ty. The drummer got on stage for another band and just stood up straght and noodded his head repatedly. These guys also had the nerve to talk about another band placing over them.

This is when you take your bass, and hit knock them off the stage Pete Townshend-Abbie Hoffman style. I know I would do it.

 

[metalguy2]

• Drummers who spend their money on weed, and don't chip in on shipping for a P.A. amp.
• Drummers who spend their money on weed, but then bum money off of the guitarist & I for food when they get the munchies.
• Drummers who are late to practice at his own house, because he was out smoking weed.
• Drummers who can't keep a beat, because they were smoking weed, forcing me to have to keep the beat, play countermelodies to the guitar, and sing. I shouldn't have to worry about the drummer going out of time all the time.
• Drummers who play rediculous fills, then come back into the song too early or too late.
• Drummers who allow their skins to get so old, that they'll break in the middle of practice, and then don't have any spares.
• Drummer who are obsessed with Led Zeppelin and trying to be John Bonham.
• Drummers who want to cover most of the Led Zeppelin catalogue, but will never consider covering anything else from another band.
• Drummers who always want to play Moby Dick, and then take a half hour with the drum solo.
• Drummers who are in other bands which don't take care of our equipment at all, and even smash up our equipment just for ****s & giggles.
• Drummers who use a cowbell in part of a song for no reason.
• Drummers who don't dig the "telepathy" between me & the guitarist, and will shout out in between songs, "play Machine Gun next"
• Drummers who noodle around while we're trying to tune up.
• Drummers who noodle around while the guitarist & I are trying to speak to each other.

This is basically my drummer summed up in so many words, who we're about to kick out, as soon as we find another one. Interestingly enough, I have almost no pet peeves about my guitarist. It's like we're musically attached to the hip, or something.

As far as other bassplayers:

• Bassplayers who feel the need to slap constantly.
• Bassplayers who scoop out their mids
• Bassplayers who say overdrive makes me sound like a guitar.
• Bassplayers who say you aren't a bassplayer if you aren't playing just the root.
• Bassplayers who are so obsessed with Jaco, that they're practically sodomizing his corpse.
• Jazz Basses. Can't stand the way they sound.
• Bassplayers who use just the bridge pickup (Stingrays excluded). It's annoying sounding.
• Fretless bassplayers who solo the bridge pickup to sound just like Jaco. It was his sound, and frankly, it wasn't that great sounding! Stop imitating it!
• People who say that Precision basses are muddy. Try playing one into an amp with some clarity, and they're not muddy at all.
• People who say "brand X is the best" etc, especially when X=Ampeg, and they say that I should use Ampeg as well. I don't want to sound like every other bass player out there.
• Bass solos with no accompaniment from other instruments. (My Generation excluded) It's difficult to do, and even harder to solo while still maintaining a groove, but the effort pays off. It'll also keep the audience's attention if you're playing a bass solo that the guitarist is still at least playing chords to.
• Flatwound strings. Alot of people I know swear by them, and that's fine with me. But I can't stand their lack of sustain, and the way they feel. I spend alot of time building up these callouses, and i'm not letting them goto waste!!!
• Aluminum coned speakers.
• Tweeters.
• Overdrive pedals used with tweeters.
• Most Gibson basses played with a pick. There's just not enough treble in the sound to allow the pick sound to come through!!!

All of this of course, is my opinion. If I seem to be stating something factually above, it probably wasn't, it's just my opinion.

*dons flamesuit*

Not just jumpin on the band wagon bro! Everthing you said about your drummer is true for all drummers. With exception of the weed thing. haha
AMEN!!!!!!